Who founded your church?

[BarneyFife]

what’s your hurry!

why did the show have Protestant ministers and the return to Mayberry had a catholic priest?

I dunno. Return To Mayberry was kind of a low budget, little-thought, made-for-TV movie. They might have forgotten all about Rev. Tucker. :)

 

[theefaith]

Of course not . They trained up men to continue to lead churches . They never intended Rome . That came about
by power hungry men . Those who wanted and desired to set above the people .
I never saw that formation with the original ones . they were all equals . OOPS
they didnt sit there and draw lotts for who would lead them . And do you remember what JESUS himself said about the pharisees .
HE said beware them , they love to dress up big fancy clothes , getting the worship of men .
SOUNDS JUST LIKE ROME . Yeah . i am just trying to help you my friend . I dont hate ya . I love ya , its why i am trying to help you see
the hyprocrisy in that church . Every pope wore decked out big fancy cloth , rings to be kissed
JESUS NEVER INTENDED that kind of church . ROME was a lie from her birth .

the pope represents Christ the king and the church is a kingdom

apostles must still be governing the church Matt 28:19-20 behold I am with you (the apostles) until the end

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[theefaith]

I dunno. Return To Mayberry was kind of a low budget, little-thought, made-for-TV movie. They might have forgotten all about Rev. Tucker. :)

the town was strange as well
In black and white Thelma Lou had black hair in color it was red also strange

Dogs nothing but dogs throw a quail in the room everyone would point

My chosen woman if I had a uniform we would be married by now

 

[theefaith]

Good history of the church!

 

[BreadOfLife]

First, your hierarchy is incorrect, there are only elders, bishops/presbyters, and deacons, for arguments sake. Definitely no cardinals, bishop's see or episcopate, vicar of Christ, nuns or monks, Jesuits or ascetics.
Plus, no confessional of rosary.
Plus, all the ecumenical councils were criminally incorrect, eternally begotten, filioque, theotokos, duophysitism, duothelitism .

Priest and Presbyter are the SAME thing. We read in James 5:13-15 how the prayers of the PResbyters not only bring about the healing of a person - but the FORVIVENESS OF SINS and SALVATION.
James 5:13-15
Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders (presbuteros) of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. AND THE PRAYER OF FAITH WILL SAVE THE ONE WHO IS SICK, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, HE WILL BE FORGIVEN.

As for Confession - Paul speaks to the Ministry of Reconciliation - and how HE and the other ordained priests forgive sins in the person of Christ.
2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So WE are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US.
WE implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

2 Cor. 2:10
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been FOR you in the presence of Christ”
The Greek word used here for "Presence" is Prosopone (Person). "In the PERSON of Christ."
In Latin, this is called, "In Persona Cristi".

Regarding "Jesuits" - they are merely a priestly order (Society of Jesus) - not a rank.
Finally - as to your false statement that there were "no ascetics" in Scripture - what do you call John the Baptist??

Consider yourself expoed - again . . .

 

[historyb]

no the orthodox did the true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles remains

Well you'll have a disagreement with the Orthodox. You see it was the Latin Church that added the filoque without the consent of the entire Church and then after the Latin Church broke away added other things. This all from the Orthodox not from me

 

[DNB]

that’s a joke I was having with lines from the Andy Griffith show with Barney fife

...it crossed my mind, actually, that that's exactly what it was - apparently, I've never seen the show.

 

[DNB]

Priest and Presbyter are the SAME thing. We read in James 5:13-15 how the prayers of the PResbyters not only bring about the healing of a person - but the FORVIVENESS OF SINS and SALVATION.
James 5:13-15
Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders (presbuteros) of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. AND THE PRAYER OF FAITH WILL SAVE THE ONE WHO IS SICK, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, HE WILL BE FORGIVEN.

As for Confession - Paul speaks to the Ministry of Reconciliation - and how HE and the other ordained priests forgive sins in the person of Christ.
2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So WE are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US.
WE implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

2 Cor. 2:10
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been FOR you in the presence of Christ”
The Greek word used here for "Presence" is Prosopone (Person). "In the PERSON of Christ."
In Latin, this is called, "In Persona Cristi".

Regarding "Jesuits" - they are merely a priestly order (Society of Jesus) - not a rank.
Finally - as to your false statement that there were "no ascetics" in Scripture - what do you call John the Baptist??

Consider yourself expoed - again . . .

Priest and presbyter same thing, I agree.
Knock it off, forgiveness of sins is only through faith in Jesus Christ. All the expression that you quoted are contextual, either referring to the Apostles 'message of reconciliation', as in the message of Christ (obviously), or a specific tumult in Corinth, where the culprits needed to be forgiven on a personal level, not to a salvific degree (obviously).
Jesuits still claim a distinction that was not defined in Paul's ecclesiology. All members are meant to be as astute, apologetic and evangelistic as the Jesuits.
John was not an ascetic, he did not practice self-mortification, he merely shunned society due to its vices and shallowness. He ate locusts and honey, and wore coarse material, not to deprive himself, but because that was all that the desert had to offer. He did not denounce luxurious or comfortable living, but lascivious, hedonistic and sinful living.

Once again, your Catholic indoctrination is beginning to show the cracks in your understanding of the Gospel.

 

[Brakelite]

Mama got real hungry . she went to town getting all religions now under her too .
one big ol social religion that will do the bidding of a social world order .
They knew they had to get the religions to get along and come together . They are in fast forward ecumencism mode .
But mark my words well . They about to be in crusade mode . They gonna eventually
come full force against those who wont conform to this one world social club humanity religoin and who wont
bow the knee to serve its golden one world political order . Its all a set up . And they been working
on it for many many years . Through education , through politics , through religions
Have you heard their latest buzz word . INCLUSIVE CAPITALISM . WHY Dont they just call it what it is , Socialism .
And many mega companies met with POPE francis about this big ado . TELL ME they aint all in it together .
THE GREAT RESET MY FRIEND . ITS ALL A SET UP .

The official name for a merger or union between religion and business is fascism.

ARE YOU READY FOR THIS?

 

[Brakelite]

beginning

That would be the understatement of the year so far.

 

[theefaith]

Priest and Presbyter are the SAME thing. We read in James 5:13-15 how the prayers of the PResbyters not only bring about the healing of a person - but the FORVIVENESS OF SINS and SALVATION.
James 5:13-15
Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders (presbuteros) of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. AND THE PRAYER OF FAITH WILL SAVE THE ONE WHO IS SICK, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, HE WILL BE FORGIVEN.

As for Confession - Paul speaks to the Ministry of Reconciliation - and how HE and the other ordained priests forgive sins in the person of Christ.
2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So WE are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US.
WE implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

2 Cor. 2:10
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been FOR you in the presence of Christ”
The Greek word used here for "Presence" is Prosopone (Person). "In the PERSON of Christ."
In Latin, this is called, "In Persona Cristi".

Regarding "Jesuits" - they are merely a priestly order (Society of Jesus) - not a rank.
Finally - as to your false statement that there were "no ascetics" in Scripture - what do you call John the Baptist??

Consider yourself expoed - again . . .

Monks & Nuns in the early church? Really?

Febronia of Nisibis, also known as Febronia of Sebapte, was a nun at Nisibis. She suffered persecution under Diocletian, who offered her freedom if she renounced her faith and married his nephew, Lysimachus, who had been leaning towards conversion to Christianity. Wikipedia
Born: 284 AD, Nusaybin, Turkey
Died: 305 AD, Nusaybin, Turkey

Anthony or Antony the Great, was a Christian monk from Egypt, revered since his death as a saint. He is distinguished from other saints named Anthony such as Anthony of Padua, by various epithets of ... [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_the_Great']Wikipedia
Born: January 12, 251 AD, Heracleopolis Magna
Died: January 17, 356 AD, Roman Egypt, Egypt

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https://www.google.com/search?clien...KEwjI6cLPvIfuAhUJKqwKHekxAHgQmxMoADAPegQIERAC
Doesn’t sound Protestant to me!

 

[theefaith]

I dunno. Return To Mayberry was kind of a low budget, little-thought, made-for-TV movie. They might have forgotten all about Rev. Tucker. :)

here at the rock we have two rules

obey all rules!
Do not write in walls!

 

[theefaith]

Well you'll have a disagreement with the Orthodox. You see it was the Latin Church that added the filoque without the consent of the entire Church and then after the Latin Church broke away added other things. This all from the Orthodox not from me

Successors of Peter have the keys

 

[theefaith]

Well you'll have a disagreement with the Orthodox. You see it was the Latin Church that added the filoque without the consent of the entire Church and then after the Latin Church broke away added other things. This all from the Orthodox not from me

what does the doctrine or faith of the orthodox have to with Protestantism? You they don’t even have liturgy or priesthood

 

[theefaith]

...it crossed my mind, actually, that that's exactly what it was - apparently, I've never seen the show.

really?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Priest and presbyter same thing, I agree.
Knock it off, forgiveness of sins is only through faith in Jesus Christ. All the expression that you quoted are contextual, either referring to the Apostles 'message of reconciliation', as in the message of Christ (obviously), or a specific tumult in Corinth, where the culprits needed to be forgiven on a personal level, not to a salvific degree (obviously).
Jesuits still claim a distinction that was not defined in Paul's ecclesiology. All members are meant to be as astute, apologetic and evangelistic as the Jesuits.
John was not an ascetic, he did not practice self-mortification, he merely shunned society due to its vices and shallowness. He ate locusts and honey, and wore coarse material, not to deprive himself, but because that was all that the desert had to offer. He did not denounce luxurious or comfortable living, but lascivious, hedonistic and sinful living.

Once again, your Catholic indoctrination is beginning to show the cracks in your understanding of the Gospel.

This is the kind of asinine response I expected from you.

John the Baptis't WASN'T an ascetic?? He was the textbook exapmple of asceticism. Others who chose the ascetic life, like the great saint Anthony of Egypt modeled their entire lives life after John. John was the POSTER BOY for self-mortification. He didn't wear a "hair shirt" because it was the latest desert fashion, as YOU foolishly claim. It was to mortify the flesh.

As to the Presbyters in James 5 - it states explicitly that THEIR prayers bring about the FORGIVENESS of sin on the sick person as well as the SALVATION of that person. And it says NOTHING about this being only something that was endowed to the Apostles and nobody else as YOU falsely claim.

Finally - your idiotic and paranoid rants about Jesuits are ridiculous. They are but ONE priestly order out of MANY - no more "powerful" than the next. Maybe if you had put down that Dan Brown novel and do some homework - you MIGHT have known this . . .

 

[theefaith]

This is the kind of asinine response I expected from you.

John the Baptis't WASN'T an ascetic?? He was the textbook exapmple of asceticism. Others who chose the ascetic life, like the great saint Anthony of Egypt modeled their entire lives life after John. John was the POSTER BOY for self-mortification. He didn't wear a "hair shirt" because it was the latest desert fashion, as YOU foolishly claim. It was to mortify the flesh.

As to the Presbyters in James 5 - it states explicitly that THEIR prayers bring about the FORGIVENESS of sin on the sick person as well as the SALVATION of that person. And it says NOTHING about this being only something that was endowed to the Apostles and nobody else as YOU falsely claim.

Finally - your idiotic and paranoid rants about Jesuits are ridiculous. They are but ONE priestly order out of MANY - no more "powerful" than the next. Maybe if you had put down that Dan Brown novel and do some homework - you MIGHT have known this . . .

explain Jn 20:21-23

Christ continues his ministry in his church thru the apostles with the same mission power and authority

as the father sent, I send you

 

[theefaith]

Doctrine of heretics

The one true church founded by Christ on Peter the apostles and their successors verses the heretics, schismatics, and apostates!

Simon Magnus: the father of all heretics!
Condemned by Saint Peter!

Early church:
Gnostics: secret or hidden knowledge of salvation.
Arianism: Jesus was not divine, condemned at the first apostolic council of Nicea with the trinity defined!
iconoclasts: opposed the use of images and icons, they were condemned at the second apostolic council of Nicea!
Montanism: basically a early Pentecostal movement!

Middle Ages:
albigensians: duelist sin of Manichaeism
god of good (spiritual or light) and a god of evil. (matter or darkness)

Early Protestant rebellion:
Wycliffe: predestination and the Bible alone.
hus: opposed the papacy, Bible only authority.

Protestant revolt:
Luther:
waldensians:
Huguenots:
Tyndall:
calvin:
Henry 8 and Cranmer the anglicans:
All evangelicals, Pentecostals and fundamentalists:

Protestant theology, five Solas, opposes the church founded by christ on Peter and started their own churches opposed each other in authority, some more fundamentalist. Condemned at the great apostolic council of Trent!

All heretics teaching false doctrines claiming biblical authority by the power of the Holy Spirit!

The rebellious slavery of Heretical fundamentalism begets only a thick black Spiritual Darkness! With spiritual pride, presumption, and arrogance!

True believers are free! Jn 8:32
Faithful, obedient, submissive to authority, and humble!

Documentary on the church

 

[theefaith]

In your church where is the eternal flame?
The altar, and sacrifice or liturgy?
The golden sensor with incense?
Ark of the covenant in the temple?
The blood of the lamb?
A minstering priesthood?

the OT has them, and Paul says the they are types or shadows of the heavenly realities that we now posses!

so the true church should have them, right?

Heb 3:1 heavenly
Heb 6:9 better things
Heb 8:5 shadow of heavenly things and according to the pattern
Heb 9:9 figures
Heb 9:23 patterns
Heb 10:1 shadow of things to come
Heb 13:10 altar

 

[Philip James]

Dear amigo,

It started with the apostels . And it didnt lead to Rome either

Well of course it did. Who do you think Paul's letter to the Romans was written too? Veniciens?

Gather with brethren who TRULY DO LOVE JESUS and test all things anyone does
teach or say .

The Catholic Church has been doing that for 2000 years!

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!