A question to those who believe Trump will win

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amadeus

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"When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt [sin?]." Hosea 11:1

"But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.
Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it." Num 14:21-24

After that denial of entrance into the Promised Land, the people decided that they would take the plunge on their own and go ahead into the Promised Land anyway. Moses warned them not to do that. They were squashed at the border in their efforts out of the will of God. What is God's will for the USA?

How much of that Caleb kind of a Spirit is really present today leading those called out of sin [Egypt]? How many of those "saved" from sin that one time after rebelling these ten times [times 100 times 100 and so on] against God really expect to enter into the Promised Land, not the natural Promise to the children of Jacob but those today who really did receive the gift of God, the Holy Spirit, and have repeatedly quenched the gift and decided what it was that God was going to do here and now?

Has God changed? Will God continue to have mercy on people in this land who have rebelled continuously against Him and claim salvation and blessings for their nation as if they had not continued in their selfish ways and called it 'serving God'?

Undoubtedly there have been and are a few with a Caleb kind of Spirit in the United States today, but even they who have received so much... [me too!] have fallen very short considering what God has provided to us all. He gave us the means, but too often have not we squeezed out more for "me" instead of giving back more to Him!

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

America has been blessed of God from day one with natural resources and an unusually good Constitution and a hope that in the flesh few if any place has had, but instead of moving toward Him and leaning on Him they have regularly and continuously moved against Him tearing down what they had according to their own evil ways.

Seems that perhaps the tenth rebellion is on us. Consider your ways said Haggai!

The Way to get God's attention and help is available, but most people continue along their own very selfish pathways. Even on this forum in numerous threads is seen a whole lot of selfishness as they point fingers instead of humbling themselves before God. 'Much is given... much is required!'

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones." Prov 3:5-8
 
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Amadues . you know what the problem is .
What kingdom are we focused on and teaching . What kingdom has our heart .
The heavenly or the earthly . From these two kingdoms will come all mens hopes and teachings .
Those who are heavenly will preach and live unto the author of that kingdom . They will have THAT HOPE and wait for THAT KING to COME .
Those who are earthly focused will preach and live unto the aurthor of that kingdom . having those hopes and waiting for that king .
And therein lies the problem . IF we believe our hearts can love both kingdoms , we are badly decieved .
Either our eye is single , heavenly , above , or its here on this earth , but rest assured it cannot be both .
 

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For where you treasures are is where your heart is .
The double minded man is unstable in all his ways . Only when things are going as they like in this world do they seem happy ,
but when anything arises which can threaten that safety , they are fearful , hateful , bitter , dissapointed and lost .
But a man or woman whose heart is stayed upon GOD , having their hopes ,their treasures above, their hearts above ,
a tidal wave can come against them , threat of loss , loss itself , persecutions and even threat of death
will not move that lamb . THEY will not blame GOD for their ills , THEY WILL REJOICE THROUGH those ills and hard times .
FOR as i said their heart is above and they know something .
They know they can suffer loss , or be persecuted , or even killed , but they KNOW no man can take their treasure from them
nor them from their riches . FOR JESUS ALONE IS THEIR TREASURE and their riches . AND NO MAN , no harm
no loss , no threat , no persecution , no suffering , no not even death can pluck them from GOD s HAND . FROM JESUS .
AND that is TOTAL PEACE OF MIND . They will even rejoice through all loss , all suffering , all persectuion ,
in prison , and on the run and even at their death . FOR JESUS IS THEIR HOPE . AND they know THEIR END IS GOOD .
 

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This is about the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness.
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Colossians 1:13
 

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I'm just sitting back and watching the show unfold.
You should put that on your tombstone.

Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to do what is right.

Either lead, follow, or get out of the way.
 

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You should put that on your tombstone.

Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to do what is right.

Either lead, follow, or get out of the way.

The first rule about fight club is that nobody talks about fight club.

Some of us are going to sit back and watch the two sides kill each other and then take over when you both are dead.
 
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I don't care what the "constitution" says.

Well neither do they, which is why people are upset.

Having said that, I don't know what will happen with Trump. I'm under the impression that it doesn't matter how the situation unfolds and either way would result in chaos.

To quote KB's "New Potrait":
"Christ of America, Christ of the system
That is not my Savior, that's a politician"
 
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That's actually really wrong and scary wrong.
There's been many times in scriptures and elsewhere that there has been no prophets or prophecy...Paul even talks about this.

False prophets are solely that...false prophets that should be taken out and stoned to death according to Old Testament scriptures. Are these guys publicly repenting of trying to lead people astray? Of course not...they want your money.

Real Prophets of God refused money...sure they accepted a physical meal in front of them when hungry...but they didn't drive nice cars or wear nice clothes.
They don't wear $200 t-shirts and $600 blue jeans with a $700 plaid shirt over the top.

Nor do they wear suit and ties.

Prophets are always hated. They all got killed except for Elijah.
What you think that David appreciated Nathan's visit? Received it as if it was "glad tidings"?
They ignored Jesus until they killed him.
They ignored Isaiah until they killed him too
They ignored Jeremiah until they put him in jail so he couldn't be heard.

Prophets are not liked...they aren't popular, not rich, and definitely not well regarded.

Not going to have their own YouTube video either or ask for donations.

Now a false prophet?
They say things that everyone enjoys hearing...they got glitz and glamour. They got money and a schtick.
They are on every media outlet they can find.

And yes. I agree to an extent. Saul was really wealthy. Paul gave it all up. When things start coming to pass, and persecution rises up, that separates people in my mind. But God also prospers His servants. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Job, Daniel. They were persecuted, but they were also very wealthy. It isn't what is important, but God doesnt want all His people to be broke. Especially the higher in spiritual rank you are, you have to be willing to give it up.
 
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And yes. I agree to an extent. Saul was really wealthy. Paul gave it all up. When things start coming to pass, and persecution rises up, that separates people in my mind. But God also prospers His servants. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Job, Daniel. They were persecuted, but they were also very wealthy. It isn't what is important, but God doesnt want all His people to be broke. Especially the higher in spiritual rank you are, you have to be willing to give it up.
"Of those born of women there are none greater than John the Baptist.,"

Those are Jesus' very words...
John was always broke and an orphan. His foster family tossed him out. Wearing camel hair and eating bugs and wild honey is not my idea of a good time. If much rather of had beans, bread, and steaks. Maybe some lamb at passover.
He ended up in jail to be silenced and beheaded for punitive measurement. (Really upset the whore mom and daughter who had a really bad relationship with Daddy)

That kinda blows up the notion of the more important the richer you are.
 

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The reason I took Kim Clement's prophecies with a grain of salt was the fact that he was into the prosperity gospel. The Bible says even if his prophecies were to come to pass we are still to reject him on the basis of his idol worship. That's why I've kept my distance from his and other people's prophecies.

As someone with a lot of spiritual experience on both sides, I would recommend taking anyone's prophecies with a grain of salt. The only one that I could see potentially happening was Dana Coverstone's and it's past November and I still can't figure out if he was right or wrong. I think parts of it were right but I could never make a decision.

But I am a strong believer that if someone has a prophecy, that sometimes they will fall under attack with things to discredit the word that God has given them. Dana seems to have kept having "prophetic dreams" consistently, every other night, and it's something to worry about. I think that it happened so that he would look stupid. It is easy to become puffed up.

I know that sometimes if you don't humble yourself down, God will do it for you.

I don't know about Kim Clement, but I'm going to say no. I remember the "Trump is the Trumpet" one from 2014(??) and I think it's best to step away and not risk the idea of being involved in potential idolatry and witchcraft.
 

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Having said that, I don't know what will happen with Trump. I'm under the impression that it doesn't matter how the situation unfolds and either way would result in chaos.
The hard part is going to be distancing ourselves from these radicals who used Christianity to defend their agenda.
 

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"Of those born of women there are none greater than John the Baptist.,"

Those are Jesus' very words...
John was always broke and an orphan. His foster family tossed him out. Wearing camel hair and eating bugs and wild honey is not my idea of a good time. If much rather of had beans, bread, and steaks. Maybe some lamb at passover.
He ended up in jail to be silenced and beheaded for punitive measurement. (Really upset the whore mom and daughter who had a really bad relationship with Daddy)


That kinda blows up the notion of the more important the richer you are.

The important thing about John the Baptist is that he was unique and set apart for making the way for Jesus Christ. Four hundred years of silence between the Old Testament and the New Testament. There was no prophetic voice at all. Four hundred years without *any* prophetic hope and then John the Baptist and Jesus Christ himself come into the picture.

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. ”Then the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved? Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”


Matthew 19:23-26


God is perfectly capable of bringing a person to a place that he wants them before blessing them. Yes, the prosperity gospel is wrong, but that does not mean that God does not reward the people who serve him. He can do whatever he wants and his judgement is far better than ours.

Otherwise, I think the majority of Christians would knock everyone down to complete poverty and call it "for the sake of the Bible."

Forced humility would become a problem. Sometimes a person's character and heart for God is not about their finances. Sometimes a person's character and heart for God is about other things. Only God knows.
 

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Amadues . you know what the problem is .
What kingdom are we focused on and teaching . What kingdom has our heart .
The heavenly or the earthly . From these two kingdoms will come all mens hopes and teachings .
Those who are heavenly will preach and live unto the author of that kingdom . They will have THAT HOPE and wait for THAT KING to COME .
Those who are earthly focused will preach and live unto the aurthor of that kingdom . having those hopes and waiting for that king .
And therein lies the problem . IF we believe our hearts can love both kingdoms , we are badly decieved .
Either our eye is single , heavenly , above , or its here on this earth , but rest assured it cannot be both .
Yes, indeed my friend. Too many who attend churches and speak of being Christians, do not know what mammon is and the do not know what the Word of God is. What are they embracing here? What is it?

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?" Matt 6:24-25

What is it = manna! They did not know!

"And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat." Exodus 16:15


"Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled." John 6:26

"I am that bread of life.
Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." John 6:48-51

And then...

"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." John 6:66

So it is now, as I see it, so many partaking of and enjoying those carnal loaves and fishes, the temporary manna, instead of the the Real Bread, the Life, the Truth!
 

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Can you summarize his prophecies for us?

Sure. Basically, it was posted in the beginning of Coronavirus. Dana said he had dreamed of these things in Dec 2019 and that could be confirmed with the men in his church. (But kind of hard to do. Not sure anyone has.)

But later on earlier this year, he posted his dream. I will link it here for anyone who wants to see it and make their proper judgement and correct anything I get wrong because I'm going off memory. November starts at about six minutes. This is a re-upload so ignore the upload date. I remember watching it in March, I think. Something like that.

I can't remember all of them but it was something about inflation, the lack of change, the money, empty schools. After November, he talks about armed protestors, politicians making deals, and then it sounds like Russian and Chinese rounding up American citizens. I think he said there was no sign of Trump also. I know he said that in one of his videos.
 

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Well neither do they, which is why people are upset.

Having said that, I don't know what will happen with Trump. I'm under the impression that it doesn't matter how the situation unfolds and either way would result in chaos...
Amen! Chaos equals confusion equals Babylon or Babel! That is Not where we want to be!

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." I Cor 14:33

We want to always be with the Author of peace!

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Rom 8:31
 

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The important thing about John the Baptist is that he was unique and set apart for making the way for Jesus Christ. Four hundred years of silence between the Old Testament and the New Testament. There was no prophetic voice at all. Four hundred years without *any* prophetic hope and then John the Baptist and Jesus Christ himself come into the picture.

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. ”Then the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved? Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”


Matthew 19:23-26


God is perfectly capable of bringing a person to a place that he wants them before blessing them. Yes, the prosperity gospel is wrong, but that does not mean that God does not reward the people who serve him. He can do whatever he wants and his judgement is far better than ours.

Otherwise, I think the majority of Christians would knock everyone down to complete poverty and call it "for the sake of the Bible."

Forced humility would become a problem. Sometimes a person's character and heart for God is not about their finances. Sometimes a person's character and heart for God is about other things. Only God knows.

Almost...

The really important part is that people stop supporting and heralding these false prophets that are obviously wealthy from the support they received. They are stealing from God. They are thieves and liars.
 

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"Of those born of women there are none greater than John the Baptist.,"

Those are Jesus' very words...
John was always broke and an orphan. His foster family tossed him out. Wearing camel hair and eating bugs and wild honey is not my idea of a good time. If much rather of had beans, bread, and steaks. Maybe some lamb at passover.
He ended up in jail to be silenced and beheaded for punitive measurement. (Really upset the whore mom and daughter who had a really bad relationship with Daddy)

That kinda blows up the notion of the more important the richer you are.
We all need to lose our heads, so the Jesus alone can be our Head! We need to become a place where Jesus
can
lay His head:

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

Are we. or are we becoming, the Body of Christ where Jesus may rest his head assured that we always led by Him by Him alone? But... men, all of us, want to lead ourselves. So let us lose that carnal head with its 'old man' ways!

Give God the glory!
 

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With so many popular false prophets running around... Christiandom is taking a huge hit in the PR war.

No doubt about it.

Between the three latest sex scandals and the money scandals and then all the false prophets...good grief!

None of this is what Christiandom is about. We aren't even supposed to be involved in politics...much less money and sex scandals.

But Atheism hasn't won any sort of debate. Never did. Logical fallacies are not going to work ever and yet Atheists believe in them for whatever reason.
Atheists have no definition, outside of themselves, pertaining to the word "good".
And if you can't find an objective definition from outside of yourself...that's a major fail.

And now...the stirring up of more dissention and strife is going to destroy the nation.

Sure, Joe Biden is going to be inaugurated on January 20th and be president.

I'm thinking that with all of his current philosophies he is going to be one of those who do absolutely nothing. I'll be shocked if he specifically gets anything major accomplished. He will have both houses of congress to do almost anything with...but I still don't think that he will get anything done. He can act like he has a mandate... ROFL.

But most people were voting against Trump instead of for Biden.

But...
Maybe there will be another riot on inauguration day of the false prophets. Who knows...




I agree with you on the fact that Biden is a puppet, but most likely there won't be any more riots. Biden has been said to have a private ignaguration for that very reason.