Are Jehovah’s Witness Christians?

[dev553344]

It had no name or denominational ties.

It was only defined by it's doctrine and experience found, beginning in Acts 2.

This is the church Jesus promised to build.

So, to start, one must do this to qualify to join....


Acts 2:37-38
King James Version

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I realized that if mormon church wasn't true then it would be catholic that is correct. I'm still unsure on which to join. Cheers!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

And yet you stlll havnt come into the truth,

Ever learning, to much bible very little Christ

Depart from Me i never knew you....

I think that you don't have Christ, but you don't really care about what I think concerning that, so why would you think I would care about you saying that about me. I'm going to go by what I think is scriptural and I'm not really going to be concerned whether you agree with me or not. So you believe what you want is scriptural and I'll do the same.

 

[101G]

I realized that if mormon church wasn't true then it would be catholic that is correct. I'm still unsure on which to join. Cheers!

First thanks for you honesty, second, follow the Lord Jesus..... meaning start reading your bible... WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, and learn from him.

understand, each denomination, they have a good point but they mix it with false doctrines. this was the warning in the letter to the seven churches in the book of REVELATION, "The danger of Syncretism" see, all the chruches except one or two had this, "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee". so even though a church look like christ on the outside, but when you get into their core beliefs, .... "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee". and just about all churches/congergations, have Nevertheless something wrong in their core beliefs.

now this is just me... ok. when I was a trinitarian many, many, years ago, no one could tell me that there was no trinity. but I made the best mistake in my life, I said this, "I will not believe that there is no trinity unless God himself come down from heaven and tell me directly that he was not a trinity. ". well, I got my wish, and it was not pretty. this was my LIFE CHANGING EXPERENCE. God walk up on me when I was sitting in my backyard... studying my Sunday School lession, as I usually do, and when he walked up on me I was not expecting a visit so quick, to my request... (smile), it took me by suprise. I was so scared till my scared got scared. and my scared ran away. everything left, and I was alone in the entire universe with God, (one on one encounter). and he told me directly that he was not a trinity. (I wasn't too scared to ask him what he was, because my scared had left me, I was just there). and that was all I needed to do... just HEAR. well at least my hearing was still intact. and when he left, it was the same way he came. when my faculties started to return to me, I realized how close to death I had come, yes, ... before, I was proud and boosted that I was a trinitarian, now I was defeated, and didn't know which way to turn, and then I got scared all over again, because my scared that had run away, peeped around the corner of the house, and asked was it ok to come back. that's when I really got scared, again. well when you have been exposed as "WRONG", and by God, there was a vacuum in my heart that felt greater or wider than the great divide, or the Great gulf fixed. (it seem like a point return), I didn't no what to do, or where to go.

my doctrine, the trinity, which I believed all my life, is now gone. just as when a baby security blanked is taken, I was left helpless. so I gathered enough strength to get back into the house, I shut my mouth for a L...O....N.... G time, and just thought on what had happen, (a few days), and still found no answers. so I set out on a quest........ to find the truth. I started to ask question, and got lie after lie, but one person told me the truth but it was half way right. so coming home, I got mad, and went into one of my bedroom that I had turned into a study, (all the childrens was grown and gone).

so I closed the door, my wife knew when I closed the door I was not to be disturbed, (I'm studying). I was so mad, because I didn't have the truth, and on top of that I was in Ignorance... rejected by God, and in limbo. I didn't get mad at God, (which I knew better, I might be ignorant, but I'm not stupid ... hold your mouth... ), and I knew the devil was not keeping the truth from me, (because he didn't know the truth), the only one left to get mad at was ... ME

for the first time in my LIFE I hated ... ME. and I got so mad with ME, until I tuned everyone out. while sitting in my study, I tunes out all the noise around me, even the cars passing by on the street. there was a cricket, as I remembered, near my window, I even tuned him out. I was so tuned out, it felt like an empty universe, "ALONE", no noise at at all. then, a still small voice said, "Why don't you ask the one who knows. immediately without thinking, I knew to ask God, so I was getting out of my chair to get on my knees to pray, God did me like he did Daniel. he told me to get up for he had already answered my prayer. (it was in my HEART). and he said, open your bible, for the first time in my life I, I, I, read what God said, and not just accept what some man said, when I read the bivle before. then I had on blinders, well God took the blinders off. now when I read the bible, it was like I had never read it before. but this time I was not reading alone, I was reading with the Holy Spirit. what a difference.

and God taught me. and I asked him to give me a title, or name of this doctrine of his so I may teach it under his name that he will give me. I asked him for a new tongue in this "SAME" and this is it, "Diversified Oneness", and yes, it's biblical. Diversity is found in the term, "OFFSPRING".

so, we suggest you READ your bible with God.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Gregory]

My God G, can you comprehen? listen, Mary is only the "BIRTH MOTHER", to the flesh and blood that he Jesus came in. Mary is not the biological mother of that flesh, but only the surrogate mother, Got it now?

PICJAGYO

No, just because you say so, does not mean it is so.

I have learned from the scriptures that Mary is the "mother" of the Son of God. Notice, she is not the "mother" of God.

You will need to show me a scripture that supports you idea that she is simply the "birth mother" and is not the "biological mother" of Jesus.

You did not answer the second part of my post. Do you deny Mary is Jesus's mother because you think Hebrews 7:3 is talking about Jesus?
Look forward to an answer.

 

[Truther]

Can you comment on "diversified Oneness?".... NO, for you have no clue.


You Just proved my point.


again, you prove my point, you have no clue what we teach.

another lie, even the diciple knew, not only the apostle, but LAY people knew... lol... YIKES,

lets prove your lie out quickly. on the road to Damascus, Paul, then Saul meet the Lord Jesus, correct.... correct. now did the Lord Jesus, as FATHER, choose Paul, then Saul for his minister? yes, how do we know this? for Ananias, a "disciple", said this, lets pick it up at Acts 22:11 "And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus."
Acts 22:12 "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,"
Acts 22:13 "Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him."
Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth."
Acts 22:15 "For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard."
Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

notice verse 14, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee"

the nation of Israel had only one Father, the LORD, who is God, listen, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting."

well Truther, do you deny that God, who meet Saul, now Paul, on the road to Damascus is the the Father, who choose him, yes or No?

well...... your answer please. and we will see if what you said is true or a lie.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Just WHO was the God that met Paul on the road...?

This is what I have been saying to everyone.

Here is who the light with a voice coming out of it to Paul actually is....


23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


It is God's light shining THROUGH Jesus which met Paul and then Jesus spoke to him.

This is the Col 2:9 effect in demonstration for Paul to see.

This is precisely why he understood Col 2:9 personally.

He knew all of God was inside Jesus.

Not, all of God put on a body as Jesus, as oneness surmises.

 

[Truther]

Yet every church claims to be that church.

If they do not obey Acts 2:38, they are just a name on a door.

 

[Truther]

I realized that if mormon church wasn't true then it would be catholic that is correct. I'm still unsure on which to join. Cheers!

Just obey Acts 2:38 and ignore the rest.

 

[dev553344]

Just obey Acts 2:38 and ignore the rest.

OK, we're not retarded, why are you quoting that?

 

[jaybird]

If they do not obey Acts 2:38, they are just a name on a door.

what about the rest of the bible?

 

[101G]

Just WHO was the God that met Paul on the road...?

This is what I have been saying to everyone.

Here is who the light with a voice coming out of it to Paul actually is....


23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


It is God's light shining THROUGH Jesus which met Paul and then Jesus spoke to him.

This is the Col 2:9 effect in demonstration for Paul to see.

This is precisely why he understood Col 2:9 personally.

He knew all of God was inside Jesus.

Not, all of God put on a body as Jesus, as oneness surmises.

First thanks for the reply, second, So we take this as you cannot answer the question? or is it you are conceding that the Father is the Son Jesus the same person? well either way, you lied. and here's how you lied.

Ananias said, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee" ONE PERSON, not God light shinging through the son... lol. you can play that side stepping nonesense with someone else. by saying,

"It is God's light shining THROUGH Jesus which met Paul and then Jesus spoke to him. This is the Col 2:9 effect in demonstration for Paul to see. This is precisely why he understood Col 2:9 personally. He knew all of God was inside Jesus. Not, all of God put on a body as Jesus, as oneness surmises."

that's a total LIE you just told to TRY to avoid the question. Ananias said, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee" ONE PERSON, not God light shining through Jesus..... lol. do you not say that the "Father" is one PERSON? well only one PERSON met him.

well let expose you, and your LIE,

lets clearly see the truth, Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth." the apostle Paul was declaring to the Jews how he was converted when he went to Damascus. listen to the account. see that word, "chosen" here in Acts 22:14, it's the Greek word,
G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai (pro-chei-riy'-zo-mai) v.
1. to handle for oneself in advance.
2. (figuratively) to purpose.
[middle voice from G4253 and a derivative of G5495]
KJV: choose, make
Root(s): G4253, G5495

now there's another account of this same incident spoken by Paul, when he appeared before king Agrippa, with more detail. listen, Acts 26:12 "Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,"
Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me."
Acts 26:14 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
Acts 26:15 "And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest."
Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"
Acts 26:17 "Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,"

see that word, "make "Truther, it's the same word for "chosen"in Acts 22:14 when Ananias said, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,". the God of Ananias fathers, the nation of ISRAEL is "JESUS", yes Jesus, is their and our Father. listen,
Acts 26:15 "And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest." BINGO.
Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"

now here is the revelation, the word, make" in verse 16 above is the same word for "choosen" in Acts 22:14, BINGO.
it was JUST "ONE" person who confronted Paul, then Saul on the Damascus road.

now listen, Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" BINGO, the "Lord" Chose Paul, then Saul. NOW this,

Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.", now the Icicing on the cake,

Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"

MAKE is the same word for "chosen"............. YIKES! that has busted your lie.


so Truther, you lied from, A. IGNORANCE, and B. PRIDE. if you taught oneness for three years, you LIED for three years.

are you getting this? the disciple Ananias knew that the Lord JESUS was the Father... YIKES!. this is why the churches today is in so much confusion. men teaching what they don't know.

now take this advice from the LORD, JESUS, the "Father".... Listen carefully.
Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

see how you lied to try and cover up your ignorance of the Word of the Lord?, you should have not said anything.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

o, just because you say so, does not mean it is so.

I did not say it, the bible did... lol, listen and learn. Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".

do you know what "overshadow" means? ... I guess not, it's the Greek word G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo) v.
1. to cast a shade upon
2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy
3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence

take note of the 3rd. reference. "to invest with preternatural influence", what do preternatural means. It means, "out of the ordinary course of nature; exceptional or abnormal". the meaning here, not in the natural way of conception between a man and a women. BINGO, that just killed your answer. this body as I have said, God conceived or God made, and “formed” in Mary’s womb.Mary nor her egg had anything to do wth the conception. my, my, my, when will they ever learn.

as said, this is why somes churches today are in confusion today, men speaking what they don't know.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[mjrhealth]

I think that you don't have Christ, but you don't really care about what I think concerning that, so why would you think I would care about you saying that about me. I'm going to go by what I think is scriptural and I'm not really going to be concerned whether you agree with me or not. So you believe what you want is scriptural and I'll do the same.

It matters not where you agree with me or not, it matters if you agree with Jesus God and the Holy spirit, the reason why there is dispute is because you dont. Yo agree with your undersanding and your religions doctrines, Christ divided.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

It matters not where you agree with me or not, it matters if you agree with Jesus God and the Holy spirit, the reason why there is dispute is because you dont. Yo agree with your undersanding and your religions doctrines, Christ divided.

No, the reason why there is a disagreement between us is that you agree with the doctrines of the apostate church, although you honestly believe you're in agreement with the True Church and it's biblical doctrines inspired by Gods Holy Spirit. Hopefully you'll see the truth of that one day, but it's really up to you.

 

[mjrhealth]

No, the reason why there is a disagreement between us is that you agree with the doctrines of the apostate church, although you honestly believe you're in agreement with the True Church and it's biblical doctrines inspired by Gods Holy Spirit. Hopefully you'll see the truth of that one day, but it's really up to you.

No itrs because I agree with Him you agree with your religions doctrines which like all religious men you will refuse to leave for him, but liek all men it will do you know good on that day of judgement. All mens religions are "apostate" all oppose and stand against Him

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No itrs because I agree with Him you agree with your religions doctrines which like all religious men you will refuse to leave for him, but liek all men it will do you know good on that day of judgement. All mens religions are "apostate" all oppose and stand against Him

The him you agree with is Satan, not the true God

 

[mjrhealth]

The him you agree with is Satan, not the true God

See now you take the side of satan, he loves religion keeps people in prison, Christ came to set men free, but men love their prisons where pharaoh makes them work,
Tell pharaoh let My people go so they can serve me, Sorry God they dont want to leave and they prefer to serve there religions. A whole generation died in the desert because they complained against God

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

See now you take the side of satan, he loves religion keeps people in prison, Christ came to set men free, but men love their prisons where pharaoh makes them work,
Tell pharaoh let My people go so they can serve me, Sorry God they dont want to leave and they prefer to serve there religions. A whole generation died in the desert because they complained against God

Yes Jesus Christ came to people to set them free, but your claim that you side with such a statement and convince yourself that you actually believe what you spread isn't lies, just shows how convincing you are, that you can spread lies and actually convince yourself it's the truth you spreading.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes Jesus Christ came to people to set them free, but your claim that you side with such a statement and convince yourself that you actually believe what you spread isn't lies, just shows how convincing you are, that you can spread lies and actually convince yourself it's the truth you spreading.

You are a prisoner to your religion and its doctrines it what your live for its what your peach, no different to the SDA catholic and all the rest, you all insist you are the ones with the truth, but only Christ is the truth and has the truth whom you all refuse. It will all come to remembrance on judgement day, what will you say, :but i loved my religion".

 

[101G]

You are a prisoner to your religion and its doctrines it what your live for its what your peach, no different to the SDA catholic and all the rest, you all insist you are the ones with the truth, but only Christ is the truth and has the truth whom you all refuse. It will all come to remembrance on judgement day, what will you say, :but i loved my religion".

are you free? ....... think before you LIE.... YIKES,

now, are you set FREE, or is you Made Free? which one?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Truther]

OK, we're not retarded, why are you quoting that?

If you don't have Acts 2:38, you have not even got started on the journey.

That is the "go" sign to the Christian walk.