Are Jehovah’s Witness Christians?

[Taken]

From what I know of their beliefs, no, they are not Christians, as they deny the Godhood of Jesus Christ.

Aside from the specific names;
Focusing more on Title of Position:
i.e.: Father and Son...
It appears JW's SAY:
"The Son is not the Father."
And according to THE SHIELD DIAGRAM:
Fundamental Christians adopt; The Trinity Shield Diagram; that
"The Father is not the Son"

Curiously...
Endless debate and finger pointing Hinges Precisely on:
The word.... NOT

•The ARMOR of GOD is inclusive for an Individuals DEFENSE PROTECTION.
•The SHIELD of FAITH is inclusive for an Individuals OFFENSIVE POWER.

Eph 6: (more detailed in whole chapter)
[11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
[14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
[15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
[16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
[17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Personally I believe:
•No one has a copyright on the word TRINITY.
Debating over two "NOTS", is dumb.

•God Himself, taught men bit by bit.
IOW- The Whole Truth Always "is" God, and "is" Revealed BY God, "to" individuals, "at" times "Individuals" ARE "prepared" to "receive" Gods Truth, at His Pleasure.

The "TIMES" God reveals His Truth to Individuals, is according to "HIS", discretion.

The "MANNER" God reveals His Truth to Individuals, is according to "HIS" discretion.

I find this itty bitty Passage Immensly revealing...

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself.

"himself"... IS all incompassing.
Debating "NOT" this, "NOT" that...
undermines "himself" who IS:
Expressly Lord God Almighty...
WAS, IS, IS.


Rev 4:
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Brakelite]

The mystery of the Trinity is not modalism or pantheism.

Not wanting to be provocative or cheeky, but it seems to me that when speaking about the nature of God, one ought to be cautious when being so assertive and positive regarding a "mystery".

 

[Brakelite]

Charles Taze Russel, their founder, came out of the SDA and branched off on his own.

No, he didn't.

 

[JohnDB]

Not wanting to be provocative or cheeky, but it seems to me that when speaking about the nature of God, one ought to be cautious when being so assertive and positive regarding a "mystery".

"Oh semantics!
Thy name is Satan."

We are certain of a few things...we can apprehend but not comprehend God...Who is infinite in all ways.

 

[101G]

30 years.(correction).

Your idea of strong meat is Strong's commentary, seasoned with Dulle and Bernard.

that's even worest, 30 years of corrupt teaching, no wonder the condition that the church is in today. you're proud of those 30 years, correct? well hear the Lord, 2 Timothy 3:1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come."
2 Timothy 3:2 "For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,"
2 Timothy 3:3 "Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,"
2 Timothy 3:4 "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;"
2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,"
2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Truther]

that's even worest, 30 years of corrupt teaching, no wonder the condition that the church is in today. you're proud of those 30 years, correct? well hear the Lord, 2 Timothy 3:1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come."
2 Timothy 3:2 "For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,"
2 Timothy 3:3 "Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,"
2 Timothy 3:4 "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;"
2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,"
2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Correct.

I taught 30 years of corrupt oneness doctrine.

I, like my oneness equals, stripped Jesus Christ of his individuality every time I saw Jesus speak of his Father as himself.

Guilty as charged, but at least I fixed it.

Howbout you?

Do you still read it like this?...."myself, myself, why has thou forsaken me"?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No, he didn't.

Well, he was influenced by Adventist theology. JW doctrines of soul sleep, Sheol, annihilation are pretty much the same. He didn't get those ideas from the Presbytarian church.
www.britannica.com/biography/Charl

 

[101G]

Correct.

I taught 30 years of corrupt oneness doctrine.

I, like my oneness equals, stripped Jesus Christ of his individuality every time I saw Jesus speak of his Father as himself.

Guilty as charged, but at least I fixed it.

Howbout you?

Do you still read it like this?...."myself, myself, why has thou forsaken me"?

You fixed it? HOW?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Truther]

You fixed it? HOW?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I gave the man Christ Jesus(the last Adam) back his individualism.

The RCC removed it 1700 years ago...I gave it back.

 

[101G]

I gave the man Christ Jesus back his individualism.

Well you better hold onto that liquid plumr, because you still need more fixing.

the first problem you have is this. YOU can not give back anything..... first U need to repent, and ask for forgivness. because reading your posts you haven't fixed anything. so let the Lord Jesus fix it. you do as the apostle Paul did, 1 Timothy 1:12 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;"1 Timothy 1:13 "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief."

how did Paul obtain that mercy?, who the Lord Jesus is gracious in... Acts 9:17 "And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."Acts 9:18 "And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."

Have you repented of your evil ways and washed in the Baptism of the Lord in his Name? I hope so?????.

Have you really Repented? so why are you still at that false doctrine, now in another way. why a fake gospel again?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Truther]

Well you better hold onto that liquid plumr, because you still need more fixing.

the first problem you have is this. YOU can not give back anything..... first U need to repent, and ask for forgivness. because reading your posts you haven't fixed anything. so let the Lord Jesus fix it. you do as the apostle Paul did, 1 Timothy 1:12 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;"1 Timothy 1:13 "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief."

how did Paul obtain that mercy?, who the Lord Jesus is gracious in... Acts 9:17 "And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."Acts 9:18 "And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."

Have you repented of your evil ways and washed in the Baptism of the Lord in his Name? I hope so?????.

Have you really Repented? so why are you still at that false doctrine, now in another way. why a fake gospel again?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Yes, I am all about Acts 2:38.

I just gave Jesus back his individuality and his God.

If I asked you to comment on those verses line by line, you would melt down because of the enormous amount of them.

I, as you presently do, had to "block out and reinterpret" those verses about Jesus' individualism every time they surface.

You should be honest with yourself and God, and just open the door a teency bit and see what it is like to be liberated from the RCC's incarnation theory.

 

[101G]

Yes, I am all about Acts 2:38.

I just gave Jesus back his individuality and his God.

If I asked you to comment on those verses line by line, you would melt down because of the enormous amount of them.

I, as you presently do, had to "block out and reinterpret" those verses about Jesus' individualism every time they surface.

You should be honest with yourself and God, and just open the door a teency bit and see what it is like to be liberated from the RCC's incarnation theory.

first thanks for your reply, second, you said yes, and then said, "I am all about Acts 2:38, I just gave Jesus back his individuality and his God." HIS GOD? see, you're still in False doctrine. you said "YES" Jesus is the First and the Last, but ignorantly said, "his God".

well, JESUS don't have a God, because he is GOD. you said, "comment on those verses line by line", when I been explaing to you line by line, but you cannot comprehend, you're still in deception. you just got out of the frying pan stright into the fire.

understand, Jesus is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING .... again, "ONLY" GOD. he, JESUS don't have a God. period, notta, zelch.

ok, lets examine Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." BREAKDOWN TIME, and one step at a time.

#1. to be baptised, listen, Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

ok Truther, we're buried with him by baptism into death, but raised in newness of LIFE... Right.... ok, the same one who raised up the body of the Lord from DEATH, also raises us our bodies from DEATH. since you say you bank on Acts 2:38, ok, tell us, "who raised up the body of the Lord Jesus from DEATH in the newness of Life?" was it the ONE whom you calls the Father, (see Romans 6:4 above), or was it the Son, whom you call Jesus, remember we're discussing your go to scripture Acts 2:38, so who raised up the Lord Jesus Body from the dead? your answer please......

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS, "You should be honest with yourself and God, and just open the door a teency bit and see what it is like to be liberated from the RCC's"
incarnation theory.

well I'm not RRC, and your answer will reveal your theory....

 

[Truther]

first thanks for your reply, second, you said yes, and then said, "I am all about Acts 2:38, I just gave Jesus back his individuality and his God." HIS GOD? see, you're still in False doctrine. you said "YES" Jesus is the First and the Last, but ignorantly said, "his God".

well, JESUS don't have a God, because he is GOD. you said, "comment on those verses line by line", when I been explaing to you line by line, but you cannot comprehend, you're still in deception. you just got out of the frying pan stright into the fire.

understand, Jesus is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING .... again, "ONLY" GOD. he, JESUS don't have a God. period, notta, zelch.

ok, lets examine Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." BREAKDOWN TIME, and one step at a time.

#1. to be baptised, listen, Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

ok Truther, we're buried with him by baptism into death, but raised in newness of LIFE... Right.... ok, the same one who raised up the body of the Lord from DEATH, also raises us our bodies from DEATH. since you say you bank on Acts 2:38, ok, tell us, "who raised up the body of the Lord Jesus from DEATH in the newness of Life?" was it the ONE whom you calls the Father, (see Romans 6:4 above), or was it the Son, whom you call Jesus, remember we're discussing your go to scripture Acts 2:38, so who raised up the Lord Jesus Body from the dead? your answer please......

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS, "You should be honest with yourself and God, and just open the door a teency bit and see what it is like to be liberated from the RCC's"
incarnation theory.

well I'm not RRC, and your answer will reveal your theory....

Yes, his God....


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


No?

 

[101G]

Yes, his God....


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


No?

first who wrote his name on them, JESUS, "and I will write upon him the name of my God", who is his GOD? listen, "and I will write upon him my new name. who is the my God? answer, ME, in MY diversified state....... YIKES! reproved again.

and second, you didn't answer my OQ, "who raised up the Lord Jesus body?". was it the one whom you call the Father, or the One you call the Son?
your answer please.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Truther]

first who wrote his name on them, JESUS, "and I will write upon him the name of my God", who is his GOD? listen, "and I will write upon him my new name. who is the my God? answer, ME, in MY diversified state....... YIKES! reproved again.

and second, you didn't answer my OQ, "who raised up the Lord Jesus body?". was it the one whom you call the Father, or the One you call the Son?
your answer please.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

His God gave him his new name.

Not as you think....


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my SELF, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my SELF, and the name of the city of my SELF, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my SELF: and I will write upon him my new name OF MYSELF.

Also...
He has a new name, and his God does not have a new name.

 

[101G]

His God gave him his new name.

Not as you think....


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my SELF, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my SELF, and the name of the city of my SELF, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my SELF: and I will write upon him my new name OF MYSELF.

Also...
He has a new name, and his God does not have a new name.

LOL, John 17:6 "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word." what name was that? ....... "JESUS"... BINGO

now can you quit stalling, answer my question, "who raised up the Lord Jesus body?". was it the one whom you call the Father, or the One you call the Son?
for the LAST time, your answer please.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

No?

is this no in reference to my question in the topic, "A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh" is Jesus the Last?"

well I hope it's not your answer to that. because Jesus is not only the First "WITH" the Last, he's "ALSO" the Last, supportive scripture,
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO.

Jesus, one PERSON is the First and the Last..... YIKES, now lets get it clear, on God, one God... too.

John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
you said, JESUS have a God, well Thomas call you're error. for there is one GOD, and if you say Jesus have a God, and Thomas say JESUS is GOD, then you have two Gods. and that's polytheism by definition. you been teaching 30 years of false doctrine, and you're still at it,...... (smile).

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

well @Truther, I haven't forgot about you too.

you have had enought time to give an answer, so "who raised up the Lord Jesus body?".

your answer please.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Gregory]

first thanks for your reply, second, you said yes, and then said, "I am all about Acts 2:38, I just gave Jesus back his individuality and his God." HIS GOD? see, you're still in False doctrine. you said "YES" Jesus is the First and the Last, but ignorantly said, "his God".

well, JESUS don't have a God, because he is GOD. you said, "comment on those verses line by line", when I been explaing to you line by line, but you cannot comprehend, you're still in deception. you just got out of the frying pan stright into the fire.

understand, Jesus is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING .... again, "ONLY" GOD. he, JESUS don't have a God. period, notta, zelch.

ok, lets examine Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." BREAKDOWN TIME, and one step at a time.

#1. to be baptised, listen, Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

ok Truther, we're buried with him by baptism into death, but raised in newness of LIFE... Right.... ok, the same one who raised up the body of the Lord from DEATH, also raises us our bodies from DEATH. since you say you bank on Acts 2:38, ok, tell us, "who raised up the body of the Lord Jesus from DEATH in the newness of Life?" was it the ONE whom you calls the Father, (see Romans 6:4 above), or was it the Son, whom you call Jesus, remember we're discussing your go to scripture Acts 2:38, so who raised up the Lord Jesus Body from the dead? your answer please......

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS, "You should be honest with yourself and God, and just open the door a teency bit and see what it is like to be liberated from the RCC's"
incarnation theory.

well I'm not RRC, and your answer will reveal your theory....

Please reply to John 20:17, especially bolded.
John 20:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

 

[Gregory]

is this no in reference to my question in the topic, "A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh" is Jesus the Last?"

well I hope it's not your answer to that. because Jesus is not only the First "WITH" the Last, he's "ALSO" the Last, supportive scripture,
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO.

Jesus, one PERSON is the First and the Last..... YIKES, now lets get it clear, on God, one God... too.

John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
you said, JESUS have a God, well Thomas call you're error. for there is one GOD, and if you say Jesus have a God, and Thomas say JESUS is GOD, then you have two Gods. and that's polytheism by definition. you been teaching 30 years of false doctrine, and you're still at it,...... (smile).

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jesus calls your error, read again what he says:
John 20:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Please respond to just this scripture, especially the bolded part. Thank you.