Who founded your church?

[Truther]

then what JW or is Joseph Smith Freemason your daddy?

They are Acts skippers also.

 

[jaybird]

Excellent description of how we got here and how denominations evolved from the pure first century church.

Like pure snow gradually turning into a dirty delta as the snow melts into water and travels downstream, picking up pollutants along the way.

I think to many look at the pharisees and think they were Jews, we are Christians, it's different. What I see is they were men, we are men, men screw things since the beginning

 

[Marymog]

Acts 15 shows who makes changes to the laws for the Gentiles - James. Peter was like a lawyer. James was the judge.

Thank you Lady,

I assumed that’s what you were referring to.....The Council of Jerusalem is what Acts 15 is commonly called.

You agree with The Church that there was a leader of The Church, what we now call The Pope, after Christ was crucified. You just disagree with the 2,000 year teaching that Peter was the leader or the rock that The Church was built upon after His crucifixion. You believe James was the leader and the final authority (judge) for The Church. I listed MULTIPLE passages from Scripture showing otherwise. You have one passage to support your theory.

When did the authority of that ‘judgeship’ end? When the last Apostle died? When James died?

One question for you: At the Council of Jerusalem who is the one who made the authoritative statement We believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they [the Gentiles] will”.

I can give you quotes up to the 3rd century from early Church leaders saying Peter was the leader of The Church. Can you give me those quotes from the early Church about James?

Mary

 

[theefaith]

Trinity didn't begin for 400 years after Jesus. And they didn't complete it for another 200 years. That's 600 years after Jesus

trinity was revealed by Christ in the deposit of faith

The Deposit of Faith is the body of saving truth entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and handed on by them to be preserved and proclaimed. Jesus ordered them to teach the nations "everything I have commanded you" and assured them "know that I am with you always, until the end of the world." (Mt 28:18-20). Jesus did not leave His Church without the means to understand the Scriptures. He is the greatest teacher and the interpreter of Scripture. That is why he made so much of entrusting the Holy Spirit to the Church (see John 14-16). He promised in John 14: 26, "The Paraclete, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send will instruct you in everything and remind you of all that I have told you." As St. Paul testifies in 1 Timothy 3: 15, the Church is the "pillar and bulwark of truth." Jesus told Simon that, "you are Peter [when God gives someone a new name it comes with the grace to do His will] and on this rock I will build my Church and the powers of death [gates of hell] will not prevail against it" (Mt 16:18).

 

[theefaith]

They are Acts skippers also.

then who’s your daddy

what sect are you in? why hide it? Must be ashamed of it or maybe you don’t know it’s name

 

[theefaith]

Oneness Pentecostalism
thats you

 

[theefaith]

The proper form of baptism is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Jesus designated in Matt. 28:19, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.” It is the Trinitarian formula. The clear command of Jesus is to baptize this way. But, if that is so, then why do we see so many instances in the New Testament where people were baptized “in Jesus’ name”?

• Acts 2:38, “And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
• Acts 10:48, “And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.”
• Acts 19:5, “And when they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

The reason they were baptizing “in the name of Jesus” is not because it was a formula, but because the phrase, “in the name of” means “in the authority of. We can see proof of this in Acts 4:7-10,

“And when they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, ‘By what power, or in what name, have you done this?‘ 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, ‘Rulers and elders of the people, 9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, 10 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by this name this man stands here before you in good health.'”

The Jews asked, “by what power, or in what name, have you done this?” Peter answers and says that it was in the name of Jesus that they had healed. In other words, “in the name of Jesus” means that it is by the power and authority found in Christ. We can see this usage in many places in the New Testament.

• Acts 3:6 “But Peter said, ‘I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene–walk!'”
• Acts 16:18, “And she continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, ‘I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!” And it came out at that very moment.'”
• 1 Cor. 5:4-5, “In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
• 1 Cor. 6:11, “And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.”
• Eph. 5:20, “always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father.”
• 2 Thess. 3:6, “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep aloof from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.”

As you can see, “in the name of the Lord Jesus” and “in the name of Jesus” speaks of “in the authority of Jesus.” Therefore, when someone is properly baptized, they are baptized in the name of Jesus; that is, by the authority of Jesus. Therefore, when they are properly baptized in the name of Jesus, they should say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” just as Jesus commanded us to do.

Didache and the baptismal formula
The Didache is a very old document that was written probably between the year of 65 and 80 A.D. It is also called the “Teaching of the 12 Apostles.” The Didache is not Scripture, but it is clearly an ancient document and sheds light on what the early church was doing in the first century and what the baptismal formula was.

“But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye: having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in running water,” (Didache 7:1).

If the early church did what some modern-day groups like the Oneness Pentecostal cult do and baptized “in the name of Jesus,” then why does the Didache not teach the same thing? The reason is that the early church baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus commanded them to do (Matthew 28:19).

 

[Marymog]

I'm not dodging, just curious. Been awhile since I read much of the early writings. I do know that there were a lot of different doctrines, it was not cut and dried. Also, it's often hard to discern exactly what they meant, because of thier different writing styles. I might go find some more of T's writings, or not. Probably just stick to scripture. You can call me Ray or Jay or kiddo, I'm not really picky, but I only pick on people I like and you seem a little more likable than some of the Catholics on here.

Good Morning Renniks,

Wow....that’s the first time anyone on here has suggested I am likeable.....Thank you!

I am a very direct person and sometimes that comes off as arrogant. If you knew me in person I don’t think you would not consider me arrogant....confident...but not arrogant.

I would recommend reading Clement of Rome, Polycarp and Ignatius of Antioch, commonly referred to as the Apostolic Fathers of The Church, since they were students of the Apostles. What they have to say will blow you away....at least it did me.....and their writings led me to The Church.

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Truther]

I think to many look at the pharisees and think they were Jews, we are Christians, it's different. What I see is they were men, we are men, men screw things since the beginning

Amen.

Men think too much.

That's okay with secular stuff, but not with scripture.

Commentary has taken over Christianity since the 2nd century.

 

[Truther]

then who’s your daddy

what sect are you in? why hide it? Must be ashamed of it or maybe you don’t know it’s name

My mother is the Acts 2 church. Jesus is my everlasting Father.

I am no denomination, but in the nameless, Acts Church.

 

[theefaith]

My mother is the Acts 2 church. Jesus is my everlasting Father.

I am no denomination, but in the nameless, Acts Church.

How do I find this nameless church or are you the only member?

 

[Truther]

How do I find this nameless church or are you the only member?

Read Acts 2

 

[theefaith]

Read Acts 2

no you said it was a church

 

[BreadOfLife]

were they "all" disturbed??? so if we understand this a certain way it means we can change the meaning of passages such as:

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

now with the proper understanding of Herod we can change baptisms and baptize NOT in the name of Jesus. goodness gracious the lengths you guys go to change scripture.

Thanks - I figured your answer would be stupid.

You dance around the language in Matt. 2:3 just like you do Acts 2:38 and other places.
Pray for understanding . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

i really dont know, i am not an expert on Eusebius. unlike you, i do not to know it all.
what i do know was the quote by him was just one thing of a long list of facts. i think thats something to question and not sweep under the rug.

Sooooo, it's just a case of Cafeteria Christianity.
You actually DO pick and choose what you want to believe - and discard the rest.

That's what I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yep

That's what I thought you'd say.

So, "ALL" of Jerusalem knew about the birth of Christ?
"ALL" of Jerusalem was upset about it?
"ALL" of Jerusalem would include every baby, toddler, deaf person, mentally-handicapped person, etc. They were "ALL" upset?

OR - is this simply an example of inclusive language, as in, "Everybody in town came out for the parade"?
The danger in YOUR moronic brand of literalism is that you completely discard the meaning of Scripture because you don't get it.

 

[Marymog]

Amen.

Men think too much.

That's okay with secular stuff, but not with scripture.

Commentary has taken over Christianity since the 2nd century.

Good morning Truther,

I have read your "commentary" and disagree with it. Me thinks you are thinking to much.

Curious: Why since the 2nd century? How did you come up with that timeline?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Sooooo, it's just a case of Cafeteria Christianity.
You actually DO pick and choose what you want to believe - and discard the rest.

That's what I thought . . .

Well....at least he said YOU do know it all....I think what he actually means is The Church knows it all.....Having fun...Mary

 

[jaybird]

trinity was revealed by Christ in the deposit of faith

The Deposit of Faith is the body of saving truth entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and handed on by them to be preserved and proclaimed. Jesus ordered them to teach the nations "everything I have commanded you" and assured them "know that I am with you always, until the end of the world." (Mt 28:18-20). Jesus did not leave His Church without the means to understand the Scriptures. He is the greatest teacher and the interpreter of Scripture. That is why he made so much of entrusting the Holy Spirit to the Church (see John 14-16). He promised in John 14: 26, "The Paraclete, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send will instruct you in everything and remind you of all that I have told you." As St. Paul testifies in 1 Timothy 3: 15, the Church is the "pillar and bulwark of truth." Jesus told Simon that, "you are Peter [when God gives someone a new name it comes with the grace to do His will] and on this rock I will build my Church and the powers of death [gates of hell] will not prevail against it" (Mt 16:18).

The doctrine did not come around for 400 years later

 

[Renniks]

your not an apostle

So, then I don't have authority to spread the gospel?
See, I don't even think we're spreading the same gospel... Your gospel is salvation only comes through the Catholic Church. I believe that's total hogwash. Salvation comes through Christ alone.