Who founded your church?

[jaybird]

I never put a number on it....you did. Remember???

i didnt care about the exact number, your using that as a distraction to dodge the fact that people were killed by the church.

 

[Renniks]

no all believers are called to be saints

but in this context it is a cannonized saint

There's no such thing biblically.

 

[Renniks]

Read 1 John 3:1-24; and 2 Peter 1:2-11

Not every "believer" is obedient, and has been given power over sin.

Revelation 22:11

Paul calls the people in imperfect churches "Saint". How can he talk about the perfecting of Saints in Eph. 4 if they are already sinless?

 

[theefaith]

There's no such thing biblically.

matt 16:18 and 18:18
Bind on earth and in heaven

 

[Renniks]

matt 16:18 and 18:18
Bind on earth and in heaven

That has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[theefaith]

That’s cannonized

 

[CharismaticLady]

so not all born again believers are saints ?

That's not what I said. Not all those calling themselves Christians are born again. Born again Christians are saints.

1 John 3:9
1 John 5:18

 

[CharismaticLady]

Paul calls the people in imperfect churches "Saint". How can he talk about the perfecting of Saints in Eph. 4 if they are already sinless?

There is a difference between sinlessness and perfection. What you never hear me talk about is "sinless perfection." That is merely an unfounded accusation. A saint is sinless, justified and sanctified, and righteous; but takes a lifetime to become perfect in steps called glorification and holy. From glory to glory.

Revelation 22:11

 

[Renniks]

matt 16:18 and 18:18
Bind on earth and in heaven

Also, you told me before that this verse isn't about individual believers but only the apostles. Maybe try and be consistent in your misinformation.

 

[Renniks]

There is a difference between sinlessness and perfection. What you never hear me talk about is "sinless perfection." That is merely an unfounded accusation. A saint is sinless, justified and sanctified, and righteous; but takes a lifetime to become perfect in steps called glorification and holy. From glory to glory.

Revelation 22:11

Some of the people he addresses as saints were definitely sinful.

"Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God's people."
God's people here are "saints" in other interpretations. Why did he have to tell them this if they were already sinless?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Some of the people he addresses as saints were definitely sinful.

"Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God's people."
God's people here are "saints" in other interpretations. Why did he have to tell them this if they were already sinless?

You don't have to be actually committing these sins for a pastor to preach against it. I was six years old when I was given an assignment to memorize the entire Ten Commandments. I can still repeat all of them from Exodus 20 in King James. It didn't mean I was committing adultery or murder. And I never even stole a piece of candy from a store. Nor even lied.

 

[Marymog]

i didnt care about the exact number, your using that as a distraction to dodge the fact that people were killed by the church.

Nice try. Not true. I have acknowledged multiple times on this forum that Protestants killed other Protestants for heresy and The Church was complicit in the killings of alleged heretics

 

[jaybird]

Nice try. Not true. I have acknowledged multiple times on this forum that Protestants killed other Protestants for heresy and The Church was complicit in the killings of alleged heretics

but your doing it again, it wasnt us, it was the Prots.

look over there . . .dont look here.

im a baptist descended from Prots, they killed lots of people like i already said in the Ireland comment. now how hard was that?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your church teaches that water regenerates.
So, be honest.
At least admit it.

WRONG - that's NOT what the Catholic Church teaches.
However, in the depths of your dishonesty, that's the lie YOU perpetuate.

The Church teaches - as does Scripture - that it is the Holy Spirit who regenerates (John 3:5, Acts 2:38, Acts 19:1-7, Acts 22:16, Rom. 6:3-4). Water is simply the tangible means that God uses.
When Jesus healed the Blind Man - do you think He actually NEEDED to use mud and water to heal him? NO.
He used TANGIBLE means to do it because God, in His infinite wisdom, knows that we are tangible, physical people.

when Jesus fed the 5000 - did He NEED 5 loaves and 2 fish to get it started? NO.
He used TANGIBLE means to perform His miracle. The same goes for the Wine at the Wedding at Cana and many other signes.

YOUR problem is that, with Baptism - you reject the means that God Himself set up for us to use.
Your lack of faith is pathetic . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

....yeah fella, keep studying Papal decrees and dogma. You are sure to wreck your walk with God.

I've been arguing from Scripture - not "Papal decrees".
YOU simply have no intellligent response for my arguments . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, that's right, the RCC also eliminated repentance towards God pre baptism.

Also, the circumcision not made with hands is on the repented sinners heart, fella.....

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Babies don't have a change of heart, but get furious when splashed with water.

Crazy stuff.

YOU don't get it because of your lack of faith.
Of course the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles is "crazy stuff" to you.

What is a Covenant? It is a BINDING agreement between 2 or more parties.
Tell me something, Eainstein - how did an 8-day-old baby enter into a Covenant by being circumcised?

THINK, before you answer . . .

 

[Truther]

I've been arguing from Scripture - not "Papal decrees".
YOU simply have no intellligent response for my arguments . . .

HAHA.

The RCC is founded and maintained on Papal decrees.

 

[Truther]

YOU don't get it because of your lack of faith.
Of course the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles is "crazy stuff" to you.

What is a Covenant? It is a BINDING agreement between 2 or more parties.
Tell me something, Eainstein - how did an 8-day-old baby enter into a Covenant by being circumcised?

THINK, before you answer . . .

The covenant is with the founder..Abraham.

God does not do millions and millions of individual covenants, as you are assuming.

The Jews just partook of the lone covenant.

 

[theefaith]

That's not what I said. Not all those calling themselves Christians are born again. Born again Christians are saints.

1 John 3:9
1 John 5:18

how do you get born again?

 

[Truther]

how do you get born again?

Acts 2:38.