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BloodBought 1953

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Your part is to believe. That's not you working to earn your salvation. That's you believing that you can't work to earn your salvation and can only receive it through trust in God's word that he will forgive your sin.

"...to the one who does not work but trusts God..." Romans 4:5

Wow.....to hear this coming from you puts a stench in my nostrils.....you don’t “ Trust God”..... you Trust in your Damnable Doctrine Of “ Lucky Repentance”.....
For the Newbies out there who have yet to be Ruined by your False, Perverted “ Gospel”, please allow me to put forth a more “ precise” version of how you REALLY believe Scripture—-
“... to the one that does not work , but to the one who never sins on purpose and to the one that has the Luck to Remember ALL of their Sins and be sorry about them before they die .....”
At least try to muster up the integrity to reveal the “ truth” of your False Gospel Additions Test will have all of your acolytes doomed to “ Fall from Grace” as you have.....
Newbies....Please read Galatians and pray that God give you the Wisdom to understand it ....don’t let the Confused, self- taught ,Modern- Day Judaizers lead you astray and Shipwreck your Faith at the outset......
 

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You “ sin on purpose” every day, but do not possess the “ self insight” to know it.....” know thyself” the Bible instructs....
You ever go above the Speed Limit on the highway and continue on your merry, Sinful way, lying to yourself that it is not a “ willful Sin” because “ it ain’t that big a deal” and you know 99% of the time that you will “ get away with it?”
See you in Hell, my fellow “ Willful Sinner”......I guess all of that talk about “Grace” and/ or the “Power Of The Blood” that SUPER ABOUNDED when Sin abounded was just God talking to hear Himself talk.....Turns out He wasn’t the “,Gentleman” that we hoped He was....

I do not currently have a driver's license....but when I did I know that I kept to the speed limit in driving and also took into consideration that law that says you are to keep up with the flow of traffic...and tells us that if the majority of cars are going 70mph in 65mph zone...that it is actually lawful to go 70mph along with them and to not do so would actually be a violation of the law.

And you can be sure that when I did have a driver's license, I was obedient to all of the traffic laws (although one time, I did drive without my license on me and I actually ran a red light in stopped traffic...the Lord definitely chastened me in that instance and that sin is also underneath the blood).

I guess the point I am trying to make is that we do not abuse the grace of God and violate the law just because we know that we will be forgiven...for such a thing is presumption to say the least.

The one time that I did violate a traffic law in all my days of driving, I know that one thing I did not do was say, "I know that this will be a sin if I do this but I am banking on the fact that the Lord will forgive me."

I would say to everyone that such a thing might be an insult to the Spirit of grace and is not the type of attitude that the Lord wants us to have in regards to His forgiveness.
 

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Wow.....to hear this coming from you puts a stench in my nostrils.....you don’t “ Trust God”..... you Trust in your Damnable Doctrine Of “ Lucky Repentance”.....
For the Newbies out there who have yet to be Ruined by your False, Perverted “ Gospel”, please allow me to put forth a more “ precise” version of how you REALLY believe Scripture—-
“... to the one that does not work , but to the one who never sins on purpose and to the one that has the Luck to Remember ALL of their Sins and be sorry about them before they die .....”
At least try to muster up the integrity to reveal the “ truth” of your False Gospel Additions Test will have all of your acolytes doomed to “ Fall from Grace” as you have.....
Newbies....Please read Galatians and pray that God give you the Wisdom to understand it ....don’t let the Confused, self- taught ,Modern- Day Judaizers lead you astray and Shipwreck your Faith at the outset......
I believe that you need to consider what is written in Matthew 13:41-42; Matthew 7:23, and Matthew 25:41.

Mat 13:41, The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 7:23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 25:41, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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It should be clear that "workers (doers) of iniquity" shall be cast into the furnace of everlasting fire (Matthew 13:41-42; Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

So it is not only unbelief, but willful sinning (where willful sinning is defined by the following verses):

1Jo 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 14:23, And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Jas 4:17, Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

that will place a man smack dab into the furnace of fire; where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

It should be clear that sin is deceitful and that it has the capacity to draw a man away from Christ so that he would have an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God (Hebrews 3:12-13).

Therefore, while you may not fall away from the faith the first time that you commit a sin, it should be clear that once you sin it becomes very likely that you will become a servant of sin (John 8:34) and therefore subsequent sins become inevitable once you begin the process of being a sinner again after that you have come to the knowledge of the truth and have once been delivered from a lifestyle of sinning.

While the doctrine of the inevitability of sin is most definitely a false doctrine and heresy (for if anyone is born again of the Holy Spirit, it is not inevitable that they will sin in the future); although the moment a person willfully sins after having received the knowledge of the truth, they immediately become prone to a sinning lifestyle once again; and sin does in fact become inevitable for the one who has become the servant of sin (John 8:34) through committing sin after having received the knowledge of the truth.



I do not read your posts anymore ....I hope you continue to never say anything of value.....I would hate to miss anything that showed an inkling Of Biblical Understanding....I think it’s a safe bet I can totally ignore you and not miss anything....”Erroneous Buller” is the best available “ Springboard” at the moment to get the Truth out there for Vulnerable Newbies....” Nothing But The Blood”.....please , Newbies ...don’t EVER find yourself on the wrong side of THAT debate!
 

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I do not read your posts anymore ....I hope you continue to never say anything of value.....I would hate to miss anything that showed an inkling Of Biblical Understanding....I think it’s a safe bet I can totally ignore you and not miss anything....”Erroneous Buller” is the best available “ Springboard” at the moment to get the Truth out there for Vulnerable Newbies....” Nothing But The Blood”.....please , Newbies ...don’t EVER find yourself on the wrong side of THAT debate!
I think that you actually do read my posts but do not have an answer for my logic and reasoning; even as it is written in Luke 21:15 and Acts of the Apostles 6:10.

Your only recourse, in order to save face, is to say that you are ignoring me; because you have been soundly refuted in all of your ramblings by the scriptures that have been brought forth by me along with the sound doctrine and logic that I have set forth to you (see Titus 1:9).

And of course, I am in agreement with "NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD".

However, unlike you, I give credence to the power of the blood to sanctify (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanse a man from all sin (1 John 1:7).

And also, I will continue to post, whether you read my posts or not, for the sake of "newbies" who might be deceived by your posts in the case that I were to fail to keep vigilance in fighting the false doctrines that you espouse.
 
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Scary verse!


“ Scary” only if you misunderstand it......don’t listen to these Confused, Blind Guides ....at least CHECK OUT the different Teachings of this Verse.....I used to be just like these other guys .... The Truth is so easy to see and understand if you are not “ stiff Necked “ ....you will sleep so much better at night........I’ll try to send some stuff here.....meanwhile , Google “ Andrew Farley” or “ Renee Roland” on Heb 6 and/or 10.....pray that God open your eyes to the Truth Of these NEEDLESSLY “ Scary” Verses ....
 
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“ Scary” only if you misunderstand it......don’t listen to these Confused, Blind Guides ....at least CHECK OUT the different Teachings of this Verse.....I used to be just like these other guys .... The Truth is so easy to see and understand if you are not “ stiff Necked “ ....you will skeep so much better at night........I’ll try to send some stuff here.....meanwhile , Google “ Andrew Farley” or “ Renee Roland” on Heb 6 and/or 10.....pray that God open your eyes to the Truth Of these NEEDLESSLY “ Scary” Verses ....
Make sure that you read 2 Timothy 4:3 before following any of the teachers that @Blood Bought 1953 has heaped to himself to tell him what his itching ears want to hear...

To @Devin Wintch.
 
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“ Scary” only if you misunderstand it......don’t listen to these Confused, Blind Guides ....at least CHECK OUT the different Teachings of this Verse.....I used to be just like these other guys .... The Truth is so easy to see and understand if you are not “ stiff Necked “ ....you will sleep so much better at night........I’ll try to send some stuff here.....meanwhile , Google “ Andrew Farley” or “ Renee Roland” on Heb 6 and/or 10.....pray that God open your eyes to the Truth Of these NEEDLESSLY “ Scary” Verses ....


 

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In Romans 7:14-25, Paul is using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION (see 1 Corinthians 9:22) in order to define carnality in order that he might win the carnal person to a specific kind of faith...that walks not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Paul himself is not carnal when he writes this but is utilizing a literary tactic in order to accomplish his purpose in this portion of the epistle.

For it is written,

2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Therefore Paul, in writing Romans 7:14-25, was not carnal but holy in the writing of this scripture, for he was in those moments penning holy scripture; and therefore the principle above applies that he, as a holy man of God, spake as he was moved by the Holy Ghost.

Also, the doctrine of "sinless perfection" is not a joke; except perhaps in the fact that the words "sinless perfection" is a misnomer that is often used to create a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine, as it is properly called, "entire sanctification" does not purport that we are without sin, or that sin is eradicated from the Christian if he has obtained that "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15); but rather it teaches that the element of sin, while still dwelling within us, is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus, 1 John 1:8 does not say, "If we say that we do no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us"

Read it again.

1 John 1:8 does not contradict 1 John 3:5-9. They are in perfect harmony even as you take 1 John 3:5-9 literally as the scripture tells us to take it in 2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv).

2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

For there is a difference between indwelling sin and practically sinning. One can have indwelling sin (rendered dead within him) and yet not be committing sins in the practical sense.

idolatry, unbelief, and self-effort are sins.

God does in fact tell us to repent of sins; because He says that if you are a worker (doer) of iniquity, you will be cast into the furnace of everlasting fire (Matthew 13:41-42; Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41).

There is an obedience of faith and an obedience to the faith in holy scripture (Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26, 1 Thessalonians 1:3).

In Galatians 2:16, it is telling us that we will not be justified in attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts in order to somehow earn our salvation...we do not obtain our salvation through law-keeping.

However, the one who is in Christ bears the fruit of the Spirit against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23); and therefore becoming a law-abiding citizen of the kingdom of heaven through bearing the fruit of the Spirit is a direct result of having been saved through faith in Christ's shed blood. For the blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (the transgression of the law) (1 John 1:7, 1 John 3:4).

So then, the venue by which we obtain this righteousness is not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts...it is through faith in Jesus by whom we obtain the Spirit...and because we have the Spirit we bear the fruit of the Spirit.

It is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

Now, Jesus is not going to force repentance on anyone...however, repentance is needed if anyone is going to be sanctified by the power of the Holy Ghost...for Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a gentleman. They will not make your decision to repent for you...repentance being defined as a 180-degree turn away from sin and towards righteousness. And if you will not repent, they are not going to do the work of sanctification within you against your will.

Now this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand: that, after that ye have suffered a while, Christ is going to make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, and settle you (1 Peter 5:10-12).

Therefore you are going to be made perfect if you are truly a recipient of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But Jesus is not going to do that work within you against your will.

Do you see how repentance is needed?

As concerning Romans 7:14-25, Paul shows us what is the proper attitude as concerning if you are living in such a state. In Romans 7:24, he shows that the proper attitude is to be discontented with your lifestyle of sinning. This is the attitude of the one living a Romans 7:14-25 lifestyle who is saved or else about to be saved.

Finally, if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

So, this woman was contradicting herself by saying that it is important to crucify the flesh and walk according to the Spirit. Because she also said that repentance is "a sneaky way of getting someone to try to be justified by the law."

(Is she not doing the same thing? Is it not just a sneaky way to say, "be justified by law-keeping" if I tell you that I must crucify my flesh and walk according to the Spirit?)

Yet Jesus, John the Baptist, and Ezekiel (to name a few) all preached repentance as turning away from sins and changing your direction towards God.

The reality is that we are not justified by law-keeping; but we are justified unto law-keeping.

Just like, in Ephesians 2:8-10, we are not saved "by works" but we are saved "unto good works".

Hope this helps. :)
 
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A scripture that just came to mind.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 

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A “willful sin” is not the same thing as being an “ unbeliever, though”.....it is NOT the same as “ rejecting Christ ....
Please listen this time so you never misunderstand the argument again. We're not talking about one sin here. It's the lifestyle of willful sin that shows that a person is in unbelief.

8 The one who practices sin is of the devil...
9 Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning... 1 John 3:7-10
John is plainly telling us, the person living in a lifestyle of unrepentant, ongoing, deliberate sin is not born again. Their unrepentant life testifies and proves that they are not born again and ready to meet Christ.

Have you ever done 7O mph in a 65 mph speed zone of a highway.....knowing it was wrong , but betting that you could get away with it? Yeah, I thought so.
No. As a Christian I have never done that. And I surely don't do it as a way of life.

That makes you a “ willful sinner”... not exactly the same as a Jesus Christ / Gospel Rejector, is it?
If you or anybody else is deliberately sinning as a matter of lifestyle it shows you are not born again. The key indicator being that's just how you live as a way of life. There's no change, no progress towards sanctification by the Holy Spirit. Because there is no Holy Spirit present to bring you to sanctification.

I want people to know this is not about the born again person struggling with sin in a holy desire to live in the Spirit. The willful sinner doesn't care about that. His mind is set on the things of the flesh. In the church, this is the person who is deliberately being a hypocrite. He lives another life but wants to be known as a righteous Christian. He may even think he is one.
 

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You “ sin on purpose” every day, but do not possess the “ self insight” to know it.....” know thyself” the Bible instructs....
You ever go above the Speed Limit on the highway and continue on your merry, Sinful way, lying to yourself that it is not a “ willful Sin” because “ it ain’t that big a deal” and you know 99% of the time that you will “ get away with it?”
See you in Hell, my fellow “ Willful Sinner”......I guess all of that talk about “Grace” and/ or the “Power Of The Blood” that SUPER ABOUNDED when Sin abounded was just God talking to hear Himself talk.....Turns out He wasn’t the “,Gentleman” that we hoped He was....
I don't do that. But it sounds like from your posts that you do, and that 'super abounded grace' is letting you get away with it. Am I reading you right?
 

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” Nothing But The Blood”.....please , Newbies ...don’t EVER find yourself on the wrong side of THAT debate!
If 'nothing but the blood' has you living in a lifestyle of willful, unrepentant sin then you don't have 'nothing but the blood'. You have 'nothing'. If you really had the blood you would not still be in your old unchanged lifestyle of deliberate sin. John says so.....

8 The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start.
9 Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1 John 3:8-9
 

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Prove it.

Since your doctrine is not founded on pure unadulterated scriptures, it’s impossible for me to do so. You don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear the pure word of God. You have accepted a tradition of man; and as such, the Bible must agree with what you believe at any cost; especially when it agrees with your flesh. And anyone who uses the plain word of God without your theological bent is automatically dismissed and ridiculed.
 

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Isn’t that for those who are under the law pr still has got to do with the law? Just thinking...

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No; see James 1:22-25, esp. James 1:25.

The passage in question is written to New Testament believers.