Was Paul Right About Women In Church?

[Heart2Soul]

Interesting to read this thread and see people rooting for women to be leaders and teachers. I have beena christian for 66 years now and when I was a young christian, men were men and women were women. Men did certain things in the church and they did a really good job. Also women did certain things in the church and they did a really good job.

I don't remember a single woman complaining about the role they played in the church or complain about the role men played in the church.

I remember Mr. Parker the local milk delivery man who ALWAYS was at the door greeting people and giving them hymn books. He was perfect for the job because he had such an infectious smile. Did the women complain? NO.

I remember the pastor/minister was always a man. Did the women complain. NO.

The leader of the women's ministry was always a woman. Did the men complain? NO.

The minister's secretary was always a woman. Did the men complain? NO.

THe leader of the Sunday School was either a man or a woman. Did either complain? NO.

I could go on with all sorts of ministry. So what made the rot set in? From my observations and recording the rot set in when the jezebel spirit took over control of churches and denominations. More and more women said "Why not me" They chose to ignore scripture and claim what wasn't theirs to claim.If God is not annointing there is no point in appointing. Since the jezebel has taken over the church has ground to a halt and become a shell of its former self.

Women have achieved what they wanted but at what cost? There is no substitute for the purity of the word of God. When you compromise that everything else is brought into question. Now they are ordaining homosexuals. Now they are ordaining lesbians. Now they are ordaining transgenders. Next they will be ordaining pedophiles. Next the church will nothing more than one great big social conglomerate and God won't get a look in.

Summing up, the church is in rebellion. They have replaced the word of God with the word of man and woman and more woman than man. When you drive with a flat tyre you are eventually going to crash. Is that what you want because that is what is going to happen if we don't mend our ways. If we don't proclaim the gospel of God rather than the gospel of man we are up the creek without a paddle.

Does the Word of God lose it's power or truth when spoken through a women's lips instead of a man's?

The church committed it's biggest act of rebellion when they stopped establishing the 5 administrations of ministry that God established.
Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers.

You are so concerned about women preaching instead of rejoicing that people are hearing the Word of God.
And obviously, those who attend a church that has a woman pastor are happy with it.
In my church both Billy Jo and Sharon were ordained pastors of the Church.
And it was the best church I have ever attended.

 

[Josho]

I don't even enter into that supposition as it is not based on biblbical exegesis. Whatever I study, the word of God ALWAYS comes first and then and only then do I consult others on the topic. And I don't carre who it is if they are not supporting scripture I don't want to know.

When I was stdying the New Testament Church one of the books I read was "The Church" by Hans Kuhn, a Roman Catholic Priest. The book was inspiring and I could not give a damn he was a cathiolic.

I am going to go a little off topic here.

But if you look at the Church services today, who are the ones mainly attending the services? The wives, many of the husbands stay at home and don't go. And also looking at the Church as a whole today, just from my own observations, it looks like more Christian women are after God's heart than men.

 

[marksman]

Yes! I knew that but couldn't find anything online to support it.

You could not find anything because it is not true.

 

[Josho]

I am going to go a little off topic here.

But if you look at the Church services today, who are the ones mainly attending the services? The wives, many of the husbands stay at home and don't go. And also looking at the Church as a whole today, just from my own observations, it looks like more Christian women are after God's heart than men.

I know a Vicar who is a woman, and she is one of the best Vicars out there, she will shout the name of Jesus wherever she goes.

 

[marksman]

Does the Word of God lose it's power or truth when spoken through a women's lips instead of a man's?

The church committed it's biggest act of rebellion when they stopped establishing the 5 administrations of ministry that God established.
Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers.

You are so concerned about women preaching instead of rejoicing that people are hearing the Word of God.
And obviously, those who attend a church that has a woman pastor are happy with it.
In my church both Billy Jo and Sharon were ordained pastors of the Church.
And it was the best church I have ever attended.

And I note that you do not have one single verse of scripture to justify your comments. That speaks volumes to me.

 

[marksman]

Absolutely, if someone has something to say it doesn't matter if their male or female, or come from another planet, all the same in Christ where there is "neither male nor female." Thank God for the scriptures huh!!

If they come from another planet we might have more speaking in tongues.

 

[marksman]

I know a Vicar who is a woman, and she is one of the best Vicars out there, she will shout the name of Jesus wherever she goes.

I didn't know shouting the name of Jesus by a women was a qualification to be anointed for ministry.

 

[Josho]

@marksman that Vicar is definitely Spirit-filled and she is on fire for Jesus.

I have even heard that it is mainly women who are in Christian leadership in the underground Churches of Iran....

 

[soul man]

And thank God we do not need to interpret it incorrectly to put over a personal position.

No one and I mean no one is saying that women can't share.

And the verse that talks about neither male or female is about salvation, not ministry in the church. If people think otherwise it must mean that pastors are doing a lousy job out there teachinjg their congregation.

The scripture says "in Christ" period.

 

[soul man]

If they come from another planet we might have more speaking in tongues.

All due respect "they" has a pin point on a particular group or person. I don't see that written, only in Christ is what can be seen as written.

 

[Heart2Soul]

And I note that you do not have one single verse of scripture to justify your comments. That speaks volumes to me.

***dodging the question speaks volumes to all who are reading this as well....

But let's get some scriptures.
Does God's Word lose power when spoken from a woman?
The Bible Says:
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
— Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
Isaiah 55 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹⁰ For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
¹¹ So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
— 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
For emphasis..
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
— Romans 10:17 (KJV)

The scriptures I have chosen is about the power of God's Word....

My question
Does His Word lose power when spoken through a women instead of a man?
Your answer?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Sorry Pearl but your comment is pure supposition. There is not one verse of scripture to back up what you have said. FYI, women were not in leadership in the NTC. Read Timothy.

And thank God we do not need to interpret it incorrectly to put over a personal position.

No one and I mean no one is saying that women can't share.

And the verse that talks about neither male or female is about salvation, not ministry in the church. If people think otherwise it must mean that pastors are doing a lousy job out there teachinjg their congregation.

The scripture about neither male or female is about being under the law or having faith..
Galatians 3 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
² This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
…
⁵ He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
…
²⁴ Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
²⁵ But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
²⁶ For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
²⁷ For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
²⁸ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
²⁹ And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The book was inspiring and I could not give a damn he was a catholic.

Why do you resort to cursing?

“Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.” — Ephesians 5:4 (KJV)

“Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.” — Ephesians 4:29 (KJV)

Colossians 3:8-10 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ⁸ But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. ⁹ Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; ¹⁰ And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Matthew 15:10-11 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹⁰ And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: ¹¹ Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

“But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.” — 2 Timothy 2:16 (KJV)

James 3:10-13 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹⁰ Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. ¹¹ Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? ¹² Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. ¹³ Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

 

[101G]

Yes! I knew that but couldn't find anything online to support it.

GINOLJC, to all
first, thanks for the reply, second, no need to go online, it right there in your bible, listen, Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"
Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."
Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"
lets start at verse 3 and work our way back to verse #1.

Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:" see that word "helpers" there, it's the Greek term,
G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow
Root(s): G4862, G2041
Bingo, our first clue, the definition states that the term helper is a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. Pearl, do you know what what a coadjutor means? if one is roman catholic they would KNOW, well it means, a bishop appointed to assist a diocesan bishop, and often also designated as his successor.
there it is a. both Priscilla and Aquila are bishop... "helpers... and they was helping the "diocesan bishop" here, the apostle Paul to do what? appoint our sister Phebe, as "overseer" or the Pastor of the newly found church in Rome.

so how do we know this? answer in Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also." that word "succourer" there is the Greek word,
G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291
the, "feminine of a derivative of G4291", well what's G4291?

G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476

BINGO, definition #2. (in rank) to preside, or as the kjv can translate it as "be over, to rule", which is what an "overseer do". for thayer definition states, - Original: προΐ́στημι
- Transliteration: Proistemi
- Phonetic: pro-is'-tay-mee
- Definition:
1. to set or place before
a. to set over
b. to be over, to superintend, preside over
c. to be a protector or guardian
1. to give aid
d. to care for, give attention to
1. profess honest occupations
- Origin: from G4253 and G2476
- TDNT entry: 6:700,*
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

superintend?
that's what a bishop is, an OVERSEER/PASTOR
again thayer definition BISHOP, G1985Original: ἐπίσκοπος
- Transliteration: Episkopos
- Phonetic: ep-is'-kop-os
- Definition:
1. an overseer
a. a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent
b. the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church
- Origin: from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)
- TDNT entry: 12:08,2
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Now Pearl, see "a" above? it states, a man charged with the duty of. see it... A MAN right..... now the revelation, let go back to the definition of "succourer" G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

here is the revelation, the, "feminine of a derivative of G4291", the term "feminine of a derivative" means it is drived from what a man in the position is doing a woman do. example the term prophetess is a female prophet, it is drived from the male in that position. that's what feminine of a derivative of means.
so our sister Phebe is a succourer, or a female "OVERSEER"/Pastor to the church that was at Rome. and remember our sister Phebe was a minister at the church of Cenchrea before this apportment.

so what did we learn. A. that our sister Aquila with her husband was both "BISHOPS". clear as day in the bible, a female Bishop. B. we now see a female Pastor/General Overseer, the female superintendent at ROME.

see, this is just one or two examples of women in LEADERSHIP roles. and there are many more. OT as well as NT. only one must do as the Lord Jesus commands ... "SEARCH the scriptures, with the Holy Ghost.

so as said, not need to go online, open your bible.

hope this helped

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Grailhunter]

Grailhunter, someone made the remark that Complementarianism was an archaic belief that no one holds to today. I rebutted with that there are many that consider it to be a valid Christian tenet, and gave 1 or two examples. You said that Calvinists are unreliable, I said then forget John MacArthur or any other Calvinist, it is easy enough to find people in other denominations that don't allow women leaders in the Church. You said Calvinists are bad people (or, something like that), ... now what?

Did not say that Calvinists are bad people. And I am sure that most know that due respect for women in some denominations are askew. I am saying it is wrong. Christianity did come out of a male dominant society and religious environment, but the character and desire to subjugate women lead Christianity down a path of social / religious insanity, certainly evil.

So many denominations because men did not understand the scriptures...the history of Christianity gives no support for male leadership or understanding. I keep saying that over and above all, to understand Christianity, it is important to not only understand what Christ said, but also His heart and character....what he did...what happened.

The Savior of the world was delivered by a woman. He could have appeared on a mountain top...
Women financially supported his ministry. No indication of financial support by males.
Christ always came to the aid of and defended women.
Christ sent the woman at the well on a mission that the Apostles could not have accomplished.
The word Messiah does not mean Savior...it means "anointed one"....only women anointed Christ and sometimes with some of the Apostles disapproving. Anointing in the Bible was performed by persons of authority...usually high priests.
Many of Christ's male disciples abandoned Him when He told them about the bread and wine ritual.
The Apostles abandoned Christ in the garden of Gethsemane and ran off in fear and hid.
Peter denied Christ.
While the Apostles were hiding...the women were with Christ at the Cross....John...
It was the women and John and Joseph that took Christ body and prepared it and put it in a tomb...where were the other Apostles?
Hiding...did they even believe in Christ?
Was it the men that came to the tomb? No...it was the women...did the Apostles even believe that He was going to resurrect?
When Christ presented Himself, the women rejoiced! Nearly uncontrolable joy!
Then it was Christ that assigned a woman to announce the pinnacle moment in Christianity...Christ's resurrection. Did they believe?
Only some of the Apostles bothered to go to the tomb. But still did not believe.
Because when Christ presented Himself to the Apostles did they rejoice? No! They still did not believe, their first thought that He was a ghost.
And the Gospels indicate that there were some that still doubted even when He ascended to the Father.
All in all, among the men, it was only Peter and John that showed any signs of faith during Christ ministry.

So what was the real role of women in the Gospels? What role did women play during the most significant moments of Christ's life? Who had the most intimate relationship with God? Show a little respect. Even today, regardless of what us menz think we know... women seem to know the heart of Christ best.

 

[Wrangler]

This was how the feminist movement started.
Shame on you.

Sorry but your facts and emotional appeal is wrong. Susan B Anthony predated WW II by decades.

My point is not about the noble beginnings of the Suffrage Movement but the plainly man-hating ideology feminism has evolved into.

The author of Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say pointed out the hatred for men today is most clearly seen in matters of life and death. While men die 8 years sooner than women, we spend more money on female only health problems and have Women’s Health but not Men’s Health departments in many hospitals. Where is the equality in that?

 

[TLHKAJ]

we spend more money on female only health problems and have Women’s Health but not Men’s Health departments in many hospitals. Where is the equality in that?

A lot of "women's health" is agenda and money making ...and not health at all. If you want a "men's health" department in hospitals, advocate for it. I hear ads and programs on the radio all the time about men's health.

 

[Pearl]

GINOLJC, to all
first, thanks for the reply, second, no need to go online, it right there in your bible, listen, Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"
Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."
Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"
lets start at verse 3 and work our way back to verse #1.

Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:" see that word "helpers" there, it's the Greek term,
G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow
Root(s): G4862, G2041
Bingo, our first clue, the definition states that the term helper is a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. Pearl, do you know what what a coadjutor means? id one is roman catholic they would KNOW, well it means, a bishop appointed to assist a diocesan bishop, and often also designated as his successor.
there it is a. both Priscilla and Aquila are bishop... "helpers... and they was helping the "diocesan bishop" here, the apostle Pul to do what? appoint our sister Phebe, as "overseer" or the Pastor of the newly found church in Rome.

so how do we know this? answer in Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also." that word "succourer" there is the Greek word,
G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291
the, "feminine of a derivative of G4291", well what's G4291?

G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476

BINGO, definition #2. (in rank) to preside, or as the kjv can translate it as "be over, to rule", which is what an "overseer do". for thayer definition states, - Original: προΐ́στημι
- Transliteration: Proistemi
- Phonetic: pro-is'-tay-mee
- Definition:
1. to set or place before
a. to set over
b. to be over, to superintend, preside over
c. to be a protector or guardian
1. to give aid
d. to care for, give attention to
1. profess honest occupations
- Origin: from G4253 and G2476
- TDNT entry: 6:700,*
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

superintend?
that's what a bishop is, an OVERSEER/PASTOR
again thayer definition BISHOP, G1985Original: ἐπίσκοπος
- Transliteration: Episkopos
- Phonetic: ep-is'-kop-os
- Definition:
1. an overseer
a. a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent
b. the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church
- Origin: from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)
- TDNT entry: 12:08,2
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Now Pearl, see "a" above? it states, a man charged with the duty of. see it... A MAN right..... now the revelation, let go back to the definition of "succourer" G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

here is the revelation, the, "feminine of a derivative of G4291", the term "feminine of a derivative" means it is drived from what a man in the position is doing a woman do. example the term prophetess is a female prophet, it is drived from the male in that position. that's what feminine of a derivative of means.
so our sister Phebe is a succourer, or a female "OVERSEER"/Pastor to the church that was at Rome. and remember our sister Phebe was a minister at the church of Cenchrea before this apportment.

so what did we learn. A. that our sister Aquila with her husband was both "BISHOPS". clear as day in the bible, a female Bishop. B. we now see a female Pastor/General Overseer, the female superintendent at ROME.

see, this is just one or two examples of women in LEADERSHIP roles. and there are many more. OT as well as NT. only one must do as the Lord Jesus commands ... "SEARCH the scriptures, with the Holy Ghost.

so as said, not need to go online, open your bible.

hope this helped

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Hi I am having a bit of a break from the site but had to tell you I like your post. I heard about the female bishop of Rome in a TV programme complete with picture or statue and translation of the dedication. - Apparently the Romans destroyed a lot of statues or paintings of female church leaders when they took over the running of the Church.
It is confirming everything I'm reading in my book 'Woman the Full Story'. The people I've been 'talking to don't see it and have been quite nasty so that's why I'm backing off a bit. I shall copy and print your post and search my bible. Thank you.

 

[Wrangler]

If a person is viewing gender-specific Scripture for themselves, it is complementarianism.
If they are viewing it with the goal of straightening out their spouse, it is Patriarchy/Matriarchy (even if they call it complementarianism).

Not sure why you are parsing gender-specific Scripture with Patriarchy. That wives are supposed to submit to their husbands has no practical application sans straightening out their spouse.

Let me put it this way; we are supposed to take the plank out of our own eyes first, not never take the spec out of our wife’s eye.

Ever look in the dictionary for husband and wife? A wife is the woman in a marriage. A husband is a prudent manager of resources. Almost everything my wife wants to do is good. The challenge is her impulsiveness does not always align with the budget.

 

[TLHKAJ]

GINOLJC, to all
first, thanks for the reply, second, no need to go online, it right there in your bible, listen, Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"
Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also."
Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"
lets start at verse 3 and work our way back to verse #1.

Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:" see that word "helpers" there, it's the Greek term,
G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow
Root(s): G4862, G2041
Bingo, our first clue, the definition states that the term helper is a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. Pearl, do you know what what a coadjutor means? if one is roman catholic they would KNOW, well it means, a bishop appointed to assist a diocesan bishop, and often also designated as his successor.
there it is a. both Priscilla and Aquila are bishop... "helpers... and they was helping the "diocesan bishop" here, the apostle Paul to do what? appoint our sister Phebe, as "overseer" or the Pastor of the newly found church in Rome.

so how do we know this? answer in Romans 16:2 "That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also." that word "succourer" there is the Greek word,
G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291
the, "feminine of a derivative of G4291", well what's G4291?

G4291 προΐστημι proistemi (pro-iy'-stee-miy) v.
1. to stand before.
2. (in rank) to preside.
3. (by implication) to practise.
[from G4253 and G2476]
KJV: maintain, be over, rule
Root(s): G4253, G2476

BINGO, definition #2. (in rank) to preside, or as the kjv can translate it as "be over, to rule", which is what an "overseer do". for thayer definition states, - Original: προΐ́στημι
- Transliteration: Proistemi
- Phonetic: pro-is'-tay-mee
- Definition:
1. to set or place before
a. to set over
b. to be over, to superintend, preside over
c. to be a protector or guardian
1. to give aid
d. to care for, give attention to
1. profess honest occupations
- Origin: from G4253 and G2476
- TDNT entry: 6:700,*
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

superintend?
that's what a bishop is, an OVERSEER/PASTOR
again thayer definition BISHOP, G1985Original: ἐπίσκοπος
- Transliteration: Episkopos
- Phonetic: ep-is'-kop-os
- Definition:
1. an overseer
a. a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent
b. the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church
- Origin: from G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983)
- TDNT entry: 12:08,2
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Now Pearl, see "a" above? it states, a man charged with the duty of. see it... A MAN right..... now the revelation, let go back to the definition of "succourer" G4368 προστάτις prostatis (pro-sta'-tis) n.
a patroness, i.e. assistant.
[feminine of a derivative of G4291]
KJV: succourer
Root(s): G4291

here is the revelation, the, "feminine of a derivative of G4291", the term "feminine of a derivative" means it is drived from what a man in the position is doing a woman do. example the term prophetess is a female prophet, it is drived from the male in that position. that's what feminine of a derivative of means.
so our sister Phebe is a succourer, or a female "OVERSEER"/Pastor to the church that was at Rome. and remember our sister Phebe was a minister at the church of Cenchrea before this apportment.

so what did we learn. A. that our sister Aquila with her husband was both "BISHOPS". clear as day in the bible, a female Bishop. B. we now see a female Pastor/General Overseer, the female superintendent at ROME.

see, this is just one or two examples of women in LEADERSHIP roles. and there are many more. OT as well as NT. only one must do as the Lord Jesus commands ... "SEARCH the scriptures, with the Holy Ghost.

so as said, not need to go online, open your bible.

hope this helped

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

This is the truth. Thank you for presenting it so clearly. I've tried to share this information on other forums and it didn't go over well. Idk why so many men don't want it to be so. Paul said what he said about women, but we still have to take it in balance and in light of the rest of scripture. Paul himself recommended women in positions within the church.

I heard one teaching (by a man) say that the reason Paul spoke about not suffering a woman to speak was because in that area, they had been steeped for generations in Dianna worship. They needed to learn to respect the house of God, do things orderly, etc. Men had been silenced and needed to learn to be head of the home, etc.