Calvinism vs. Arminianism

[marks]

Also, James 1:14-16 tells us that, while a person who is born again cannot be "un-born" they can die spiritually.

I don't think those verses teach that the born again can spiritually die. The type of death is not specified. Also, the teaching is about the progression of sin, not the spiritual state of the redeemed.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Romans 11:20-22 would tell you that if you think you're born again, but don't continue in His goodness, that either you weren't born again in the first place or else you lose your salvation in departing from His goodness.

All you have to offer is a "i hate osas" Thread?
Thats sad.


And, you can't stop being born again.
You can't be un-born again.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
"birth" can't be undone.

 

[Behold]

It is true God doesn't love all equally.

So you are teaching that Jesus didnt die for everyone?
And next you'll be teaching that God chooses some for hell.
And to top it off, you'll tell us that God created Evil.

 

[Behold]

There is a general love for humanity, God so loved the world, but it also states that he hates some. Many are under his wrath. Vessels prepared for destruction.

You are teaching "predestined elect" Cross rejection, theology.

"Predestined elect" theology, is a gross demonic teaching, that falsely accuses God, spits on Grace, and rejects Truth.

 

[reformed1689]

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
Is this part of your religion...or have you changed it to read...“For God so loved the ones He choose, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that the elect will not perish, but have eternal life."

How about this one...
1st John 2:2
"...and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
does your church change this to read "...and He Himself is the propitiation for the sins of the elect alone...the rest will go to hell."

This is so easy!!!

Neither of those verses deal with individuals.

For example. You rightly say that John 3:16 does not say "For God so loved the ones he chose" but it also does not say "For God so loved every person"

The reason for that is, you are asking John 3:16 to answer a question that it does not actually address.

 

[reformed1689]

So you are teaching that Jesus didnt die for everyone?

Correct. He did not.

And next you'll be teaching that God chooses some for hell.

Just curious, what do you make of Romans chapter 9?

You are teaching "predestined elect" Cross rejection, theology.

Scripture talks about the predestination of the elect. I have no idea what "Cross Rejection Theology" is, what are you talking about?

"Predestined elect" theology, is a gross demonic teaching, that falsely accuses God, spits on Grace, and rejects Truth.

Except for the fact it is in Scripture....

 

[reformed1689]

You are teaching "predestined elect" Cross rejection, theology.

"Predestined elect" theology, is a gross demonic teaching, that falsely accuses God, spits on Grace, and rejects Truth.

29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 8:29–30.

 

[Behold]

Correct. He did not.

So that would be you, then?

No wait, you're a predestined elect, so, you are one the chosen, as how could you not be....
And let me guess, all of your family, and friends, and church members..
its only those who are outside your CULT, that are "vessels of wrath".

Your theology is demonic., as you deny that God's Grace is freely given.
You change Grace into a lie.
This makes you Galatians 1:8

 

[Behold]

Just curious, what do you make of Romans chapter 9?

The context of Roman's chapter 9 is understood and explained by John 3:36
Also...
The elect are elected by Faith, in the "time of the Gentiles".

 

[Behold]

29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,

Let me explain this to you..

Those who God foreknew, has to be talking about the Born again.
Why? Because God foreknows everyone.
So, its the elect who are born again, and this starts their process of being conformed into the image of Christ.
That conforming, this end result, to be conformed into the Image of Christ, is what is pre-determined or the pre-destined OUTCOME, of being born again.

Let me simplify it more for you..

Im born again.
God knew i would be, before He created the earth.
See, the foreknowledge of God, knows all about all...........at all times.

So, God knew i would choose Christ, and this has a pre-determined end result, that God foreknew.
That end result is that i am destined to be conformed into the image of Christ, and God foreknew this about me, before He made the Planets.

 

[marks]

So you are teaching that Jesus didnt die for everyone?
And next you'll be teaching that God chooses some for hell.
And to top it off, you'll tell us that God created Evil.

It gets worse. That God wanted evil. Needed evil. Horrible doctrines!

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't think those verses teach that the born again can spiritually die. The type of death is not specified. Also, the teaching is about the progression of sin, not the spiritual state of the redeemed.

Much love!

Since it is not specified, I think you would have to have a biblical reason for rejecting the idea that it is speaking of spiritual death in James 1:14-16. Do you?

All you have to offer is a "i hate osas" Thread?
Thats sad.


And, you can't stop being born again.
You can't be un-born again.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
"birth" can't be undone.

If you had looked more closely at what I posted, you would have seen that I champion the doctrine of eternal security in all of what I am saying.

However, the primary verse on eternal security in all of the Bible is 1 John 2:17; and 1 John 3:6 applies to is in a specific way.

The teaching is that if you are a doer of the will of the Lord, you will abide for ever. And what does it mean to abide, except that the result of abiding is that you do not sin?

Therefore, if someone were to sin they would no longer be abiding; while the Bible teaches the possibility of abiding for ever.

When sin is fully grown it produces spiritual death is my take on things (James 1:14-16).

While Jesus said that if you live and believe in Him, you shall never die (John 11:25-27).

Combine these truths and you will find that it if you were to allow sin to become fully grown in you, you would die spiritually; but that if you live and believe in Jesus you will never die spiritually. And therefore if you live and believe in Jesus, you will never allow sin to become fully grown in you.

It is the only conclusion that you can make. Otherwise those verses present an irreconcilable contradiction.

"Predestined elect" theology,

Both of those words are biblical words.

 

[justbyfaith]

Those who God foreknew, has to be talking about the Born again.
Why? Because God foreknows everyone.

Universalism.

 

[Behold]

Since it is not specified, I think you would have to have a biblical reason for rejecting the idea that it is speaking of spiritual death in James 1:14-16. Do you?

If you had looked more closely at what I posted, you would have seen that I champion the doctrine of eternal security in all of what I am saying.

I did look at it deceiver.
You are currently lying, again.

Here is what you said.... "Now, in order for Once Saved Always Saved to still be a reality, falling away from faith would have to be no big deal; it would have to be true that you do not lose your salvation if you fall away. But that is a heretical doctrine of devils.""""

So, in your Thread you say that Eternal Security is a doctrine of Devils, and that phase you borrowed from me, as ive used it in my Water Cult Thread and in posts dealing with these heretics recently.

You are not honest, and that is not going to change till you are given a rebuke.
I warned you recently, and i see that the warning just increased your carnality.

 

[Behold]

It gets worse. That God wanted evil. Needed evil. Horrible doctrines!

yes.
its demonic.

 

[Behold]

Universalism.

No.
Thats not universalism..
God knows everyone.
How could He not..

But knowing is not the same as causing.
God does not cause you to be born again.
He invites you.

 

[Grailhunter]

Neither of those verses deal with individuals.

For example. You rightly say that John 3:16 does not say "For God so loved the ones he chose" but it also does not say "For God so loved every person"

The reason for that is, you are asking John 3:16 to answer a question that it does not actually address.

You do know that you are looking pretty foolish to the people that are reading this...

 

[justbyfaith]

I did look at it deceiver.

You have three fingers pointing back at you.

For, I can prove that you are a deceiver.

You have even deceived yourself in your doctrine that denies indwelling sin (1 John 1:8).

You are currently lying, again.

Nope.

Here is what you said.... "Now, in order for Once Saved Always Saved to still be a reality, falling away from faith would have to be no big deal; it would have to be true that you do not lose your salvation if you fall away. But that is a heretical doctrine of devils.""""

So, in your Thread you say that Eternal Security is a doctrine of Devils,

Again, you have not looked at all of what I have posted over time on this subject but are isolating specific statements in order to try and condemn me. You shouldn't do that (see Luke 6:37).

There is a difference between OSAS and POTS.

OSAS is deplorable.

POTS teaches that if you are truly born again you will never fall away from faith and that being in the faith means that you will stay holy.

Your doctrine, which is heresy, is that someone who falls away will continue to have salvation. That is reprehensible.

So, in your Thread you say that Eternal Security is a doctrine of Devils, and that phase you borrowed from me,

No, I got that statement specifically from 1 Timothy 4:1.

 

[justbyfaith]

God knows everyone.

So, now you are denying that Jesus is God (see Matthew 7:23).

 

[justbyfaith]

But knowing is not the same as causing.

Rom 8:29, For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This verse would tell us that God predestinated to salvation everyone that He foreknew.

Therefore, if He foreknew everyone, He predestinated everyone to salvation.

Universalism.