No authority!

[Brakelite]

Then what ARE you talking about??
Individuals are those that INCLUDE leaders - like Judas.

If you are trying to say that the ENTIRE Church is wicked because there have been wicked men within the Church's history - then you DON'T know the Gospel.

I edited the former post.. didn't intend sending as is.

 

[Paul Christensen]

NO it has to be applied by faith if one wishes to obey God as the Scriptures declare!

The RCC Council of Trent clearly teaches that those who depend on Christ alone through faith for salvation are to be condemned to hell. This is why those who are RC think that they will be the only ones in heaven.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture speaks of sound doctrine and false teachers. Who has the authority to point out false teachings and be the “only arbiter and final judge” on sound doctrine?

The Holy Spirit. No man on Earth today has such authority. One of the very best things of Christianity is how it is different, from say Islam, which spreads by the sword. Christianity spreads by consent. People come to the cross, come to accept our Savior into their lives voluntarily.

I am reminded of the passage where 2 Apostles argued so bitterly over the reliability of Saint Mark, the writer of the 1st Gospel, that they split up their ministry over it. And again, I am guided by today's devotional reading:

John (to Jesus): 38 Master, we saw another man casting out unclean spirits in Your name, but he was not one of our group. So we told him to stop what he was doing.

Jesus: 39 You shouldn’t have said that. Anyone using My name to do a miracle cannot turn quickly to speak evil of Me. 40 Anyone who isn’t against us is for us.
Mark 9:38-40 (Voice)

50 Salt is a good thing; but if it has lost its zest, how can it be seasoned again? You should have salt within yourselves and peace with one another.
Mark 9:50​

And if I may, people confuse who the 'us' is. The 'us' is Jesus and those who follow him. The 'us' is not man-made doctrine that some use against others (or doctrine that men focus on to divide people).

Come now, let us reason together
Isaiah 1:18

I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.
1 Corinthians 9:22

 

[justbyfaith]

A man taught you that the Church is invisible. How do we fulfill Matthew 18:17 if The Church is invisible?

The Holy Spirit taught me that the church is invisible.

"The Lord knows those who are His." (2 Timothy 2:19).

The reality is that as concerning anyone that you might look at, you cannot judge their salvation.

Only they and God know whether they are truly born again, or whether they are giving mere lip service to the things of God.

Faith is a thing that is primarily invisible; otherwise Paul wouldn't have taught us that we can be saved apart from works (Romans 4:5-6).

For works are the evidence of a genuine faith that was not obtained by doing any kind of work.

Where does the Bible forbid me from using this word??

It's not a profanity - and I didn't refer to him as a "fool".
I said his lack of faith is pathetic - as is YOUR understanding of Scripture.

You are asking the wrong question.

What you should be asking is, "How can I better exemplify the virtues of Jesus Christ as I live my life?"

 

[Marymog]

The Holy Spirit. No man on Earth today has such authority. One of the very best things of Christianity is how it is different, from say Islam, which spreads by the sword. Christianity spreads by consent. People come to the cross, come to accept our Savior into their lives voluntarily.

I am reminded of the passage where 2 Apostles argued so bitterly over the reliability of Saint Mark, the writer of the 1st Gospel, that they split up their ministry over it. And again, I am guided by today's devotional reading:

John (to Jesus): 38 Master, we saw another man casting out unclean spirits in Your name, but he was not one of our group. So we told him to stop what he was doing.

Jesus: 39 You shouldn’t have said that. Anyone using My name to do a miracle cannot turn quickly to speak evil of Me. 40 Anyone who isn’t against us is for us.
Mark 9:38-40 (Voice)

50 Salt is a good thing; but if it has lost its zest, how can it be seasoned again? You should have salt within yourselves and peace with one another.
Mark 9:50​

And if I may, people confuse who the 'us' is. The 'us' is Jesus and those who follow him. The 'us' is not man-made doctrine that some use against others (or doctrine that men focus on to divide people).

Come now, let us reason together
Isaiah 1:18

I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.
1 Corinthians 9:22

Ok....I agree with you. The Holy Spirit has the authority to point out false teachings and be the “only arbiter and final judge” on sound doctrine. Sooooo how does the Holy Spirit let man know who is to be treated as a pagan or tax collector?

You are trying to take man out of the equation and it just won’t work. The Spirit enlightened man To know what is Scripture but He isn’t enlightening man know what is a false doctrine from that Scripture? If that were true then no man can tell another man their doctrine is false! I don’t understand your theory.

 

[Marymog]

The Holy Spirit taught me that the church is invisible.

"The Lord knows those who are His." (2 Timothy 2:19).

The reality is that as concerning anyone that you might look at, you cannot judge their salvation.

Only they and God know whether they are truly born again, or whether they are giving mere lip service to the things of God.

Faith is a thing that is primarily invisible; otherwise Paul wouldn't have taught us that we can be saved apart from works (Romans 4:5-6).

For works are the evidence of a genuine faith that was not obtained by doing any kind of work.



You are asking the wrong question.

What you should be asking is, "How can I better exemplify the virtues of Jesus Christ as I live my life?"

Fascinating....Sooooo we should only go to YOU for enlightened on what Scripture TRULY teaches...

 

[justbyfaith]

Fascinating....Sooooo we should only go to YOU for enlightened on what Scripture TRULY teaches...

I have already said that you should go to the Holy Spirit as He teaches you the meaning of the holy scriptures, in order to obtain sound doctrine.

 

[Marymog]

I have already said that you should go to the Holy Spirit as He teaches you the meaning of the holy scriptures, in order to obtain sound doctrine.

Yup....You said that.

You also said “The Holy Spirit taught me that the church is invisible.“ Sooooo is that the only thing that the Holy Spirit taught you?

 

[Marymog]

The RCC Council of Trent clearly teaches that those who depend on Christ alone through faith for salvation are to be condemned to hell. This is why those who are RC think that they will be the only ones in heaven.

Really? Can you share the quote from the council of Trent document that supports your belief? Here’s a link: https://documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1545-1545,_Concilium_Tridentinum,_Canons_And_Decrees,_EN.pdf

 

[Paul Christensen]

Yup....You said that.

You also said “The Holy Spirit taught me that the church is invisible.“ Sooooo is that the only thing that the Holy Spirit taught you?

The church that claims the chair of Peter is all of man. The Holy Spirit has not been near it for at least the last 1700 years.

 

[Marymog]

The church that claims the chair of Peter is all of man. The Holy Spirit has not been near it for at least the last 1700 years.

Ok....thanks for that statement. Are you going to answer the question?

 

[Marymog]

Nope, wrong!!! A single man chooses to be celibate if he wants to be a priest and there are some married priest who are not celibate. You should learn Church teaching before you comment on it!

Here is a link to Council of Trent document. Show me where it says absolutely 100% a priest has to be celibate instead of your “I think” theory: ~The Council of Trent~

If you took the time to read that link and educate yourself you would see that the man who told you that lied to you.

The silence is deafening. Have you no answer? No comment? No evidence for your false statement? @Paul Christensen

 

[Paul Christensen]

Really? Can you share the quote from the council of Trent document that supports your belief? Here’s a link: https://documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1545-1545,_Concilium_Tridentinum,_Canons_And_Decrees,_EN.pdf

The Council of Trent

The Council of Trent (Latin: Concilium Tridentinum), held between 1545 and 1563 in Trento (Trent) and Bologna, northern Italy, was one of the Roman Catholic Church's most important ecumenical councils. Prompted by the Protestant Reformation, it has been described as the embodiment of the Counter-Reformation. (FN 2).

Trent placed several "anathemas" upon Protestants. This means that those who disagree with the doctrines of the Catholic Church are "cursed" (cf. Gal. 1:8-9). Catholics excommunicate those under anathema. In other words, excommunication means being outside the "Church." Being outside the "Church" (specifically meaning the Roman Catholic Church [RCC]) means one is are not saved according to RCC doctrine. Here are the words of the anathema ceremony drawn up by Pope Zachary (751-52):

… Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of the Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive [insert name] himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of Our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate...(FN 3).

The Council of Trent has about one hundred anathemas within it. Here is a small sample concerning Justification:

Canon 1. "If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema."
Canon 4. "If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema."

Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 11. "If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of God; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."

Canon 24. "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."

Canon 30. "If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema."

Canon 32. "If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life, . . . and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema."

 

[Paul Christensen]

Ok....thanks for that statement. Are you going to answer the question?

I have. You will see it in my previous post.

 

[Wrangler]

You are trying to take man out of the equation and it just won’t work.

No. I'm trying to take man asserted authority out of the equation. (And I am not merely talking about the individual error in the face of the collective communion with the Holy Spirit but among denominations).

Let's say the question of whether or not one can lose their salvation. I know for a fact that there are doctrinal differences among denominations on this point. My previous verses should guide, e.g., Mark 9:38-40, 50, Isaiah 1:18, and 1 Corinthians 9:22.

To say it differently, Jesus teaches that our differences should not rise to the level of breaking the peace. We can talk, attempt to persuade each other from the error of our ways. However, when push comes to shove, it explains denomination.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yup....You said that.

You also said “The Holy Spirit taught me that the church is invisible.“ So <fify> is that the only thing that the Holy Spirit taught you?

Of course not.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The silence is deafening. Have you no answer? No comment? No evidence for your false statement? @Paul Christensen

Why Catholic Priests are Celibate

A primary reason Catholic priests are unmarried and celibate is the Catholic belief that a priest acts in persona Christi—that he acts “in the person of” or as a representation of Christ. Because Jesus was unmarried, priests are to model themselves after Christ’s example. The Catechism of the Catholic Church further expounds that priests are “called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to ‘the affairs of the Lord,’ [1 Cor. 7:32]” in order that they can “give themselves entirely to God and to men.” The Catechism emphasizes that this priestly celibacy “radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.”

Pope Francis Rules Against Ordaining Married Priests

Pope Francis has ruled against ordaining married men in the Amazon region as a means of addressing the shortage of Catholic priests.

Bishops backed the measure last year, but the decision needed the Pope's approval to be implemented.

Catholic priests are required to abide by the rule of celibacy upon ordination except in cases where married Anglican ministers have converted.

Celibacy is seen as the devotion of one's life to God.

The conservative wing of the Catholic Church - particularly in Europe and North America - has spoken out against the idea of married priests, arguing that this could lead to the global abolition of celibacy.

A statement from the Vatican said: "The Amazon challenges us, the Pope writes, to overcome limited perspectives and not to content ourselves with solutions that address only part of the situation."

The Pope said there was a need for ministers who can understand Amazonian sensibilities and cultures from within. He urged bishops to "promote prayer for priestly vocations" and to encourage those who want to become missionaries to "opt for the Amazon region".

 

[Paul Christensen]

No. I'm trying to take man asserted authority out of the equation. (And I am not merely talking about the individual error in the face of the collective communion with the Holy Spirit but among denominations).

Let's say the question of whether or not one can lose their salvation. I know for a fact that there are doctrinal differences among denominations on this point. My previous verses should guide, e.g., Mark 9:38-40, 50, Isaiah 1:18, and 1 Corinthians 9:22.

To say it differently, Jesus teaches that our differences should not rise to the level of breaking the peace. We can talk, attempt to persuade each other from the error of our ways. However, when push comes to shove, it explains denomination.

As I said, the RCC is all of man and nothing of the Holy Spirit. There is absolutely no presence of the Holy Spirit anywhere in the RCC right from the Vatican downwards. In fact, God has given it up to the deception that they have brought upon itself.

 

[Marymog]

Why Catholic Priests are Celibate

A primary reason Catholic priests are unmarried and celibate is the Catholic belief that a priest acts in persona Christi—that he acts “in the person of” or as a representation of Christ. Because Jesus was unmarried, priests are to model themselves after Christ’s example. The Catechism of the Catholic Church further expounds that priests are “called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to ‘the affairs of the Lord,’ [1 Cor. 7:32]” in order that they can “give themselves entirely to God and to men.” The Catechism emphasizes that this priestly celibacy “radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.”....

Ummm....I already told you that not all priests are unmarried and celibate. Do you have any intentions of correcting your false belief?

But to go in line with what you just said Paul said it best when talking about celibacy and he called it a gift from God: I wish that all of you were as I am (celibate). But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

More on that: 1 Corinthians 7:32-40
1 Corinthians 7:1-5

 

[Marymog]

Pope Francis Rules Against Ordaining Married Priests

Pope Francis has ruled against ordaining married men in the Amazon region as a means of addressing the shortage of Catholic priests.

Bishops backed the measure last year, but the decision needed the Pope's approval to be implemented.

Catholic priests are required to abide by the rule of celibacy upon ordination except in cases where married Anglican ministers have converted.

Celibacy is seen as the devotion of one's life to God.

The conservative wing of the Catholic Church - particularly in Europe and North America - has spoken out against the idea of married priests, arguing that this could lead to the global abolition of celibacy.

A statement from the Vatican said: "The Amazon challenges us, the Pope writes, to overcome limited perspectives and not to content ourselves with solutions that address only part of the situation."

The Pope said there was a need for ministers who can understand Amazonian sensibilities and cultures from within. He urged bishops to "promote prayer for priestly vocations" and to encourage those who want to become missionaries to "opt for the Amazon region".

LOL...Pope Francis didn't rule against ordaining married priests in general. What you have quoted are in regards to the situation in Ammonia.

As I have already told you....THERE ARE MARRIED PRIESTS.