No authority!

[Taken]

that’s why Christ founded a church to teach the truth jn 8:32

That's WHY God sent His WORD into the world, likeness as a man. Face to face, and Writings...
Earthly Men Never again having to rely on Earthly Men for Truth about God.

The Church is for Praise and Worship of the Lord God.

 

[Taken]

must be a reason a purpose

the purpose is to be the mother of our salvation

Lk 1:49 things
Immaculate conception of Mary
And the
Miraculous conception of Jesus

You asked about Blessing Mary...whereas your response appears more leaning toward...
Why Mary? Why was SHE highly FAVORED.

Is that right?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're living in a system of mortal priests that stand between the people and God. Jesus did away with that by becoming our High Priest. Everyone enters the presence of God through Him. We don't need your earthly priesthood to do that for us. Everyone gets everything they need directly from God themselves now. We're not reliant on a fallible and weak and temporary system of mortal priests anymore. We have a Perfect and Permanent High Priest and Sacrifice now that makes the carnal obsolete. That doesn't mean there aren't Apostles and Prophets and Elders. It means there is no longer an earthly priesthood. The Catholic church is lying to people by telling them you must come to God through them. There's not a shred of truth in that. Get with the new program!

That's NOT what the Bible says (James 5:14-15).

Paul also disagrees with you . . .
In the following verses, he makes the case for priestly ministry of Reconciliation clearly in 2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US.
WE implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

The "US" and the "WE" he is referring to here are the CLERGY - the ministerial priests of which Paul was one.

In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states:
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ”

The Greek word used here for "presence" os "Prosopone", which means PERSON.
Paul said that HE has forgiven sins FOR his congregants, "In the PERSON of Christ" (In persona Cristi).

This is the very DEFINITION of the ministerial Priesthood.

 

[BreadOfLife]

We all know some people are appointed to positions of leadership in the church. What we resist is your assertion that the Catholic church owns them all. And that they alone possess various powers and privileges.

Jesus instituted ONE Church 2000 years ago.
Rebellious MEN instituted their perpetually-splintering denominations some 500 years ago.

Only ONE has God-given Authority.

 

[theefaith]

That's WHY God sent His WORD into the world, likeness as a man. Face to face, and Writings...
Earthly Men Never again having to rely on Earthly Men for Truth about God.

The Church is for Praise and Worship of the Lord God.

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, for one, I'm confident Peter did not wear a Papal Super Bowl Ring in the first place, lol. But if he did the instant you started to bow down to kiss his ring he would have stopped you right there. We know this from his encounter with Cornelius. Peter was humble. Popes are not.

Cornelius tried to WORSIP Peter.
We don't "worship the Pope. BIG difference.

Do YOU greet everyone with a "Holy kiss" as Scripture instructs (Rom. 16:16) - or do you just hug or shake hands or fist-bump?
As I educated you in my last post - customs change - but that doesn't make those customs "Worship" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Speaking of HONESTY...
Peter was a Jew.
Some Gentile's "adopting" and "making" Peter a Gentile "Pope" after his death, unbeknownst to Peter...
Is NOT a DISHONEST teaching? Hummm

What are you talking about?
The Catholic Church has never taught that Peter was anything BUT a Jew.

Anyway - YOU complaining about "dishonesty" is like bank robber copmplaining that he got ripped of at the toll booth . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gee...what a Long post. LOL

In other words - you don't have an intelligent response.
That's what I thought . . .

 

[theefaith]

Are you guys still saying Jn 3:5 is not baptism?

mare you ever gonna answer my question?

why did they immediately go to the river (water) and baptize???

 

[theefaith]

What are you talking about?
The Catholic Church has never taught that Peter was anything BUT a Jew.

Anyway - YOU complaining about "dishonesty" is like bank robber copmplaining that he got ripped of at the toll booth . . .

Christ founded the church
Christ made peter head of this church on earth
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 acts 9 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jesus Christ does not abandon His holy bride! Matt 28:19-20 with His church (apostles) till the end!

Fathers have care of their children, spiritual fathers care for our souls!

Pope, papa, father, yes spiritual father!

Isa 22 father

Christ is the head of the church!
Peter is appointed by Christ as the head of the church on earth!
Supreme pastor and teacher of the faithful!

Matt 10:2
First apostle Peter:

Matt 17:27
Jesus and Peter are one:
Jesus even works a miracle to make this point. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Peter commanded to confirm his breathren:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Matt 10:2
Peter is the prince of the apostles, head of the universal church on earth!

Jn 20:21-23
Peter and the apostles receive the Holy Spirit and the power to forgive sins:

Acts 1:15 1:17 1:26
Peter declares Judas office of apostle valid and vacant and chooses a successor:

Acts 2:14
Peter preaches the first sermon on Pentecost:

Acts 2:38
Peter requires baptism as the outward sign and initiation into the new covenant!

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

Acts 5 authority of the apostles verified by them being stricken dead by God verifying Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven and the apostles have the light of the Holy Spirit!


1 Tim 1 Paul is Timothy’s spiritual father.
1 Jn 2:1 little children are adult Christians, John is their spiritual father.

Apostles have Care for our souls
(Acts 20:28 Jn 21:17 Heb 13:17)

 

[theefaith]

Because Peter wouldn't let you do it. That's how. Think about it.

Your long succession of Popes bear no resemblance to Peter, the man from whom you are sure your Popes are spiritually descended from. We see no spiritual resemblance whatsoever between your Pope and the godly and humble man of scripture, Peter.

who is this verse referring to?

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls,

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That's NOT what the Bible says (James 5:14-15).

Paul also disagrees with you . . .
In the following verses, he makes the case for priestly ministry of Reconciliation clearly in 2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US.
WE implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

The "US" and the "WE" he is referring to here are the CLERGY - the ministerial priests of which Paul was one.

In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states:
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ”

The Greek word used here for "presence" os "Prosopone", which means PERSON.
Paul said that HE has forgiven sins FOR his congregants, "In the PERSON of Christ" (In persona Cristi).

This is the very DEFINITION of the ministerial Priesthood.

Any two or three people can do this. Jesus said so.

But you're kinda missing the point about the priesthood. Hebrews tells us we have a new High Priest, Jesus. And that he makes all other high priests obsolete, as if they were of much use at what they did anyway. You really do need to get with the New Program. It's not a remake of the old program. It's a NEW program. The Catholics have retained the old system of mortal priesthood and carnal sacrifice and put a new covenant spin on it and placed it in between God and man.

You've got to get it through your head that there are no more earthly priests. Not elders, not prophets, not teachers...priests. There is no need whatsoever for a human priest to represent you before God anymore. JESUS does that now, and in a far better and permanent way than any weak human can do. And every believer has direct access to this Perfect High Priest, Jesus, via the Holy Spirit. We don't need anyone to connect us to this New High Priest.

It is because we have the same Spirit in us that is in Jesus that we enter vicariously with Jesus into the Holy of Holies. We are part of Jesus himself. We don't need your priesthood to do what Jesus is doing for us now, and doing in a far better and permanent way than any human is capable of doing. We simply do not need your Catholic priesthood. We need pastors, and teachers, and prophets, and leaders. But we do not need a priesthood. Christ himself set that old inferior way aside with the appearance and installation of his far superior Priesthood, directly available to even the least of God's people.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus instituted ONE Church 2000 years ago.
Rebellious MEN instituted their perpetually-splintering denominations some 500 years ago.

Only ONE has God-given Authority.

Jesus instituted ONE NEW PRIESTHOOD 2000 years ago. This is what you do not grasp.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

who is this verse referring to?

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls,

Pastors/ Elders. No one is saying Christ set those offices aside. He set the PRIESTHOOD aside. He is our sole High Priest. We have no use for an earthly priesthood to take us before the Father. Jesus does that for us now. From the greatest to the very least of us.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Cornelius tried to WORSIP Peter.
We don't "worship the Pope. BIG difference.

This is just another example of how the Catholics make it so you can do what the Bible says not to do. This is the very spirit of deceit.

What would happen if a common street person tried to hug the Pope? You and I both know what would happen. You can only approach the Pope in an authorized and prescribed manner, right? And that authorized and prescribed manner is exactly what we're talking about here. If the Pope was nonchalant and just cruised around the hood hugging and kissing everybody we'd get it, but that is not what the Catholics are doing when they approach the Pope in the authorized way. They are told how to do it. Peter would never set up a system on how to approach him in love and respect and honor. He wasn't that arrogant and high minded. Popes are.

 

[theefaith]

Any two or three people can do this. Jesus said so.

But you're kinda missing the point about the priesthood. Hebrews tells us we have a new High Priest, Jesus. And that he makes all other high priests obsolete, as if they were of much use at what they did anyway. You really do need to get with the New Program. It's not a remake of the old program. It's a NEW program. The Catholics have retained the old system of mortal priesthood and carnal sacrifice and put a new covenant spin on it and placed it in between God and man.

You've got to get it through your head that there are no more earthly priests. Not elders, not prophets, not teachers...priests. There is no need whatsoever for a human priest to represent you before God anymore. JESUS does that now, and in a far better and permanent way than any weak human can do. And every believer has direct access to this Perfect High Priest, Jesus, via the Holy Spirit. We don't need anyone to connect us to this New High Priest.

It is because we have the same Spirit in us that is in Jesus that we enter vicariously with Jesus into the Holy of Holies. We are part of Jesus himself. We don't need your priesthood to do what Jesus is doing for us now, and doing in a far better and permanent way than any human is capable of doing. We simply do not need your Catholic priesthood. We need pastors, and teachers, and prophets, and leaders. But we do not need a priesthood. Christ himself set that old inferior way aside with the appearance and installation of his far superior Priesthood, directly available to even the least of God's people.

explain Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls,

 

[theefaith]

Pastors/ Elders. No one is saying Christ set those offices aside. He set the PRIESTHOOD aside. He is our sole High Priest. We have no use for an earthly priesthood to take us before the Father. Jesus does that for us now. From the greatest to the very least of us.

it is impossible to have a high priest without low priests!

 

[Wrangler]

Christ IS the Head of the Church

Right. Christ is the head of the church, not self-proclaimed successors to people who are not the head of the church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Are you guys still saying Jn 3:5 is not baptism?

mare you ever gonna answer my question?

why did they immediately go to the river (water) and baptize???

Nobody has any grief against water baptism itself. What we don't agree on is the Catholic contention that water baptism makes you righteous, like it was thought circumcision or Sabbath keeping made you righteous as just payment for your obedience to those works. Faith, all by itself, apart from works is what makes a person righteous. Paul goes way back before the law and to the example of the highly esteemed and honored Abraham to make this point to the Jews and to all who think justification (being made righteous) is granted as payment for your obedience to God's commands. It's not. As Abraham shows us, justification comes solely through believing God's promise of a Son who will inherit the blessing on your behalf.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

it is impossible to have a high priest without low priests!

EVERY believer serves a priestly ministry in God's temple.

you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2:5​

All believers themselves make spiritual sacrifices to God. We don't need no Catholic priesthood to interfere in that! We are the priesthood. Jesus is the High Priest, not your Pope. Your pope might have a calling to a particular office like pastor, or elder, or teacher, but he ain't no high priest. He's a priest like the rest of us in the way Peter and Paul talk about that, but he surely ain't a required high priest that must minister between God and his people. Jesus does that now. And every believer has direct access via the Holy Spirit to Him and His Father. No earthly priesthood needed anymore for that purpose. God instituted a new program. The old program has been laid aside as useless and obsolete and unneeded now. The Catholics painted a new covenant face on an old and dead system.