Does it concern you that gospels were written so many years after Jesus died?

[saintiaint]

But no one has really answered my question yet. Are you concerned about the timing of the writing of the gospels? So many years after the event.
Or do you choose to conveniently ignore?
That might cause you to doubt. And doubt should be avoided at all costs?
Something supernatural occurred over 2000 years ago. Near Palestine/Jerusalem. And Jesus of Nazareth seems to be the one that it occurred to. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much written about it. Look how Christianity has influenced the world. And mostly in a good way. I can't imagine life without Christianity.

 

[Triumph1300]

I agree. But how much of it is historical truth?

Well, if you do not believe the Holy Spirit gave the info to the writers , what else is there to discuss....nothing.

 

[saintiaint]

Well, if you do not believe the Holy Spirit gave the info to the writers , what else is there to discuss....nothing.

That's an insufficient response.
Were Adam and Eve real people?
Did moses really part the Red sea?
Did all the miracles actually occur?
The holy spirit probably helped most writers write spiritual truths. Through several fictional stories. To help us understand God better.
My point is how many of those spiritual truths were actual events? Historical facts.

 

[DNB]

Oh you mean the other thread.
Look I'm just making conversation here.
It's more interesting when we disagree. I'm not here to win friends and influence people. If I connect with one or two, that's fine.

go ahead, be controversial, just don't denounce those who do the same. That's all that i was pointing out. You were playing hypocrite.

 

[kcnalp]

That's an insufficient response.
Were Adam and Eve real people?
Did moses really part the Red sea?
Did all the miracles actually occur?
The holy spirit probably helped most writers write spiritual truths. Through several fictional stories. To help us understand God better.
My point is how many of those spiritual truths were actual events? Historical facts.

The Bible is filled with miracles. You either believe or you don't. If you don't then you have a phony god.

 

[saintiaint]

go ahead, be controversial, just don't denounce those who do the same. That's all that i was pointing out. You were playing hypocrite.

And we were getting on so well.
I don't get the hypocrisy accusation at all.
I strongly advised people to let others believe what they want to believe.
I'm not making fun of Christians who believe everything in the Bible. But I'm entitled to know why they think it's ok that gospels were written so long after the events.

 

[jaybird]

Lived and died.
I think Paul's letters were written before the gospels.
John was written about 70 years after Jesus death?
It bothers me. How can the events described in the gospel be totally accurate.
Are we all just too gullible?

what bothers me the most is the bible is full of people talking to the Most High, talking to angels, talking to Jesus, receiving revelation from the heavens, people witnessing miracles, and yet we today do not live like this at all, we just read about this stuff in the bible. why cant we learn from Jesus the way the 12 did?

 

[kcnalp]

what bothers me the most is the bible is full of people talking to the Most High, talking to angels, talking to Jesus, receiving revelation from the heavens, people witnessing miracles, and yet we today do not live like this at all, we just read about this stuff in the bible. why cant we learn from Jesus the way the 12 did?

We? Speak for yourself please.

 

[jaybird]

We? Speak for yourself please.

my mistake, please point me to the church where i can witness all these things.

 

[Triumph1300]

No use talking further if you don’t believe the events were real. What about the resurrection, if you don’t believe that it happened.....I would say you will be toast to put it plainly. End of story. I smell a troller.

 

[saintiaint]

What about the resurrection, if

Believe

 

[saintiaint]

go ahead, be controversial

I just share my honest doubts about Christianity. That will be controversial, without me trying to be.

 

[Wrangler]

Of course I believe Jesus is the son of God. But I can't prove it.

What proof will you accept?

 

[Wrangler]

Might be a good question.

It might be a good question?

I'm not sure ..

Certainty and proof pivot with faith and doubt. You need to answer for yourself where your doubt leads.

 

[Wrangler]

In your opinion

Not a helpful post. Does not advance the discussion. You should have the maturity to advance your own opinion if you think the way of the world is other than night follows day.

 

[Wrangler]

But no one has really answered my question yet. Are you concerned about the timing of the writing of the gospels?

No. I am not concerned and I doubt anyone else in this forum is either.

So many years after the event.

You are establishing a rejection criteria but not an acceptance criteria. Writing is an act. You should read the Book of Acts. It began immediately after the death of the Anointed. Does this not tell you anything?

Or do you choose to conveniently ignore?

Christians fear nothing but God; we ignore nothing that is sublime. Neither Socrates, Buddha nor Jesus wrote themselves. What does that tell you?

It should tell you that writing was not as valued as it is today. The men under discussion were men of action. Back then, few could read or write. So, it would not be as impactful as TALKING. The word spread, not by writing but by voice. Jesus and his Apostles were busy TELLING the experience they had to all who would listen.

Paul makes it clear that some of his epistles were written by a scribe. Rush Limbaugh 'wrote' several books but being a radio guy, he, like Paul (and perhaps other authors of the NT) dictated to a scribe the contents.

That might cause you to doubt. And doubt should be avoided at all costs?

On the contrary, doubt should be pursued. Again, read St Augustine's Confessions.

Something supernatural occurred over 2000 years ago. Near Palestine/Jerusalem. And Jesus of Nazareth seems to be the one that it occurred to.

Something supernatural happens all the time. You have apparently not been sealed by the Holy Spirit. Check this out, What Does It Mean to Be Sealed with the Holy Spirit?

You seem to be approaching this from an intellectual perspective rather than an experiential perspective, looking for external proof, certainty and your fellow man to compensate for your lack of relationship with God. The problem with you intellectual types is that you have an argument but we have experience. The writers of the NT wrote later about their experience than you prefer? I wrote about 15 years after my supernatural experience(s), which were minor by comparison. I talked about it immediately as I was commanded to do.

The answers you seek are not online. My advice is to pray fervently and regularly, read the Word (led by the Spirit) and fellowship with saintsweare.* Hope this helps.

* In the Bible, all believers are saints. This term was sadly abused by the RCC to apply to a small subset.

 

[saintiaint]

Not a helpful post. Does not advance the discussion. You should have the maturity to advance your own opinion if you think the way of the world is other than night follows day.

Give me break. Go slap someone else's wrist sir.

 

[saintiaint]

Christians fear nothing but God;

That's not an answer

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Lived and died.
I think Paul's letters were written before the gospels.
John was written about 70 years after Jesus death?
It bothers me. How can the events described in the gospel be totally accurate.
Are we all just too gullible?

What does really bother me, is when people like you, which ZERO authority or credibility, make such foolish and outlandish statements! What YOU have provided is your GUESSING, and show that it is YOU who is truly GULLIBLE.

The FACT that none of the Writers of the New Testament, refer to the destruction of Jerusalem, in 70 A.D., or even the great precaution of Christians under the emperor Nero, which took place in A.D. 64, when Paul was Martyred, is very clear evidence that ALL the 27 Books of the New Testament, were completed before these dates.

Another FACT, about the Writers of the Books of the New Testament, is that they were Inspired by God the Holy Spirit, and guided by Him, so what they wrote, where not their own personal "opinions", but the actual Words of God. The accuracy of the Writings of the entire Holy Bible, do NOT depend on any of the Writers, but God the Holy Spirit, Who, as Jesus Himself says in John 14:26, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you", shows very clearly that it is the Holy Spirit, Who reminded the Writers of the exact words and events that they were to write about.

Even the Liberal theologian, John A.T Robinson, in his book, Redating the New Testament, says that ALL of the Books in the New Testament, were completed before 70 A.D.!

Your ATTACK on the Infallibility, Inerrancy and Authority of the Holy Bible, is not "Christian", as you claim to be! But, as an advocate of the devil.

 

[saintiaint]

What does really bother me, is when people like you, which ZERO authority or credibility, make such foolish and outlandish statements! What YOU have provided is your GUESSING, and show that it is YOU who is truly GULLIBLE.

Capitalisation equals anger. So that's as far as I got.