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People read, and do not pay attention HOW or WHY a verse applies or doesn't apply to them.
"Practicing faith"... is what Jews have done for centuries "under the law", and those still under the still do. (Except animal slaughter/animal blood)
Once weekly Sabbaths, Special Festival Sabbaths, altars, animal slaughter, animal blood, rules, laws, weddings, buriels rituals....were all Practices....for the main event...
The SAVIOR.
And when He arrived, they (majority Jews) said, pfff...he's just another man. No pomp, No kingdom, royalty, wealth, army.... Hows He going to save the Jews....stop enemies, protect Jewish land and lives....From the Gentiles...
Then the real awakening....HUH...oh now the Gentiles are Offered this Same "supposed" Savior of the Jews....(Oh great...let the Gentiles have him)....and why there is STILL a divide between Jews and Gentiles...
Hebrews/ Tribes/ Israel/ Jews were ALWAYS supposed to be the Servants of God to TEACH the WHOLE WORLD about God...
* A great majority of the NT was by, for, to Jews, for them to Transistion from 4,000 years of history of GOD ONLY to GOD and HIS CHRIST MESSIAH.
* A much smaller part of the NT is for ANY MAN, "lost" JEW or GENTILE, (each withOUT the Heavenly God), learning about God AND His Christ Messiah....AND HIS NEW Covenant Offering, and HOW TO according to His Way, Accept His Offerings, and the Gifts they SHALL receive FOR Accepting His Offerings...
AND WHEN they shall receive such gifts.
For the last 2,000 + Gentiles have jumped on board...and mix in so many things that DO NOT Apply to a man, who has heartfully Accepted GOD and His Christ the Lord Jesus.
Remembering.... LITERACY is a fairly new achievement for the world. Men have had centuries of OTHER MEN, DICTATING...
"Truths, Lies, Philosophies, False Doctrines"... and a man without ability to read, believing every word......and the beat goes on, with OLD TRADITIONS of MEN....because whose going to read the Bible when there is so much fun, fun, fun, entertainment to keep them busy. Condunrum...Literacy pretty much overcome...but sheesh...all that reading...
Poohy.... get your 45 min once a week telling you what to believe...good to go.
Michiah-Imla
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Has anyone EVER built an ark after reading about it in the Bible? Last I checked, “Dispensational Truth” was not around when Moses was inspired to write about the flood; and yet Moses didn’t build an ark.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture... is profitable for doctrine
Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning
A man with the Holy Spirit wouldn’t be foolish and build an ark after reading about the flood in Noah’s day. It’s just common sense. And for you to use this logic to discourage others to live by every word of God (as Jesus said) is not wise.
1 Corinthians 8:9
...take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
No, you actually evaded the fact that it is written to Christians who are warned they will be cut off. Stop twisting perfectly clear Scripture. Take off your OSAS blinders. Are you Baptist?
Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
No.
I'm not ignoring the conditions.
Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
This is the condition:
If ye then be risen with Christ
This is the outcome:
shall ye also appear with him in glory
Naturally I'm interested in everything in the Bible. That's why I'm reading and studying it as much as I do.
I happen to think it's all true, and that this part is true also, exactly as written.
If ye then be risen with Christ . . . ye shall appear with Him in glory.
You would insert other conditions here. If you be risen with Christ, and IF you be _____________ ye shall appear with Him in glory.
But there isn't another condition here.
So either there are no other conditions, or, this passage is just a little wrong.
I think it's true, and we can believe it just the way God said it.
Much love!
Eternally Grateful
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Your question is a distraction from the issue.[/QUOTE]
You tell me,
He never knew them, Meaning they were never saved.
And just because they did works in his name, were they true works? Jesus said they practiced sin.
And yeah it is relevant. you take the passage as a whole.
There are those who think many things.
The born again will appear with Him, according to this passage.
Much love!
Hey, if OSAS is true then FANTASTIC! I am forever saved. I can't lose. Ok now, judge me as unsaved like a good OSASer.
marks said: ↑
In the parable of the sower, the seed brought forth no fruit except in the fourth soil. James tells us that there is a "believing" that does not lead to salvation. Jesus tells us of someone who is happy to "believe", but when tested, falls away. Peter's words speak of the testing to prove the genuineness of the believer.
What I wrote was, "the seed brought forth no fruit".
To me, salvation consists of me believing God, and God begetting me His son.
Much love!
In the parable of the sower, the seed brought forth no fruit except in the fourth soil. James tells us that there is a "believing" that does not lead to salvation. Jesus tells us of someone who is happy to "believe", but when tested, falls away. Peter's words speak of the testing to prove the genuineness of the believer.
What I wrote was, "the seed brought forth no fruit".
To me, salvation consists of me believing God, and God begetting me His son.
Much love!
Romans 8:15-16 KJV
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Much love!
How is someone spiritual alive and not already in the kingdom?
Colossians 1:12-13 KJV
12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Much love!
Of course ALL Scripture is profitable...
Do you realize....ALL men are naturally born in sin?.....Do you realize that it is MEN THAT CHANGE, NOT SCRIPTURE?
Do you realize...when a man CHANGES...Scripture that DID Apply to him...
No longer Applies to him.
And Scripture that DID NOT Apply to him DOES Apply to him.
Do you think a man can Change from this to that without Considering the whole of Scripture?
So then you are thinking that they don't actually fall away, that they remain true to the faith, and then years later they fall away?
Matthew 13:4-6 KJV
4) And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5) Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6) And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Much love!
Yeah, "whinning about ATTACKS" by you OSAS self appointed judges of NON OSASers being unsaved.Deflection...whinning about ATTACKS.
Get real...DISAGREEING, is what BOTH SIDES DO!
None of which proves OSAS.
What you really mean, if we don't swallow your OSAS doctrines we don't receive salvation.
Ok, tell me plain, how many times do you want me to profess that I'm a Christian? I'm not an OSAS judge, just a Bible believing Christian. How many more times do you want me to say it to make you happy?
It's your word against God's Word.
Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
That's my point.
I don't care what you call it, we all know that not every instruction in the Bible is intended to be done by me or you. Moses knew. You know. I know. So let's be consistent.
Discourage anyone to live by every word? It's hard to believe you would say this of me, however, I've come to find people will say about anything of me when they don't like what I write.
Do you encourage others of offer animal sacrifices at the temple? Do you discourage them from keeping such an important commandment?
Or is this just a way to impugn what you call "dispenstational truth"? Is it possible to understand that we aren't to build an ark today without shooting messenger?
Much love!
You tell me,
He never knew them, Meaning they were never saved.
And just because they did works in his name, were they true works? Jesus said they practiced sin.
And yeah it is relevant. you take the passage as a whole.[/QUOTE]
People do all kinds of things in Jesus' Name. Doesn't make them reborn!
Much love!
So be in fear, every time you sin, (as you claim you do)...and should you die at that same moment.....oops, you can be cut off from Salvation...
Okie dokie..
no expectation to see you in the Lords Kingdom.
Michiah-Imla
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Colossians 3:1,3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. [3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
And here’s what being dead is all about according to scripture:
Romans 6:1-2
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Are you following?
Because a born again believer who will appear with Christ in glory is further described here:
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin
2 Corinthians 5:17
...if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Study and reading makes you wise unto salvation:
2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
But many are not fully informed in the holy scriptures because they have been seduced into doctrines of devils and have accepted a one dimensional, partial gospel.
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