kcnalp
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Only God would know that. Certainly not the OSAS judges.at what point do you fall away ?
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Only God would know that. Certainly not the OSAS judges.at what point do you fall away ?
Are you sure it's as simple as that? If you have faith, why do you need to practice it? You don't even know who has really overcome!
So then you are building an ark? God said, build an ark, and load it with animals.
We believe it's true (ark, flood), we believe we learn from it, but we don't believe it was intended to be our instructions, right?
Already covered this.
The caveat .... IF you continue...
Hearing, learning, you receive increased FAITH, to which you Can "DECLARE" belief.
No.Those who are saved are thoroughly described throughout the New Testament in what they do and don’t do. You don’t seem to be interested in those particulars; you just want to hear the part of the story containing the end results without the conditional admonitions.
Those who are saved are thoroughly described throughout the New Testament in what they do and don’t do. You don’t seem to be interested in those particulars; you just want to hear the part of the story containing the end results without the conditional admonitions.
I must have missed that.
Not relevant to the issue at hand.
Why did Jesus reject those who did works in his name? And telling them flat out. HE NEVER KNEW THEM
There are those who think many things.There are those who think that they are born again who will not appear with Jesus.
Hey, if OSAS is true then FANTASTIC! I am forever saved. I can't lose. Ok now, judge me as unsaved like a good OSASer.Already covered this.
The caveat .... IF you continue...
Hearing, learning, you receive increased FAITH, to which you Can "DECLARE" belief.
You continue calling that which you FAIL to UNDERSTAND...a lie.
It's is a SIMPLE "UNDERSTANDING"...
Which eludes you.
SAV-"ED" means HAVING RECEIV-"ED" "CONVERSION".
Conversation with someone who Does NOT KNOW the meaning of the suffix "ED", is something that HAS OCCURRED...
Is pointless.
Converstion with someone who Does NOT KNOW, Gods goodness of Enlightening a man with knowledge and measures faith....
IS NOT A MAN "Becoming CONVERTED"...
Is pointless.
It is pointless to have a conversation which someone who knows NOT the very basics of HOW and WHEN a man is "Converted".
This would seem to indicate that there is no salvation unless you bear fruit. Is that what you believe?
So, that would indicate that the only way to know whether or not your faith is genuine is after you have lived your life and have stood the test when persecuted throughout all the persecution in your life.
That is not assurance; that is doubt and uncertainty.
How is someone spiritual alive and not already in the kingdom?A person can be spiritually alive (no longer dead in trespasses and sins) and yet not have his destination be the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 4:4
...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture... is profitable for doctrine
You should really consider what spirit inspires men to believe that only portions of scripture are profitable for doctrine.
So, that would indicate that the only way to know whether or not your faith is genuine is after you have lived your life and have stood the test when persecuted throughout all the persecution in your life.
That is not assurance; that is doubt and uncertainty.
Yeah, "whinning about ATTACKS" by you OSAS self appointed judges of NON OSASers being unsaved.Deflection...whinning about ATTACKS.
Get real...DISAGREEING, is what BOTH SIDES DO!
None of which proves OSAS.Salvation- is Scriptural.
Salvation is OFFERED to ALL.
Salvation has been bought and paid for For All
Salvation MUST BE CLAIMED TO Possess it.
Salvation MUST BE CLAIMED....
(ACCORDING TO the PRECISE ORDER and WAY God Himself ESTABLISHED!!!!)
What you really mean, if we don't swallow your OSAS doctrines we don't receive salvation.Jesus PAID for EVERY MANS SALVATION.
IF YOU DO NOT OBEY the ORDER and WAY,
TO CLAIM YOUR SALVATION....
DUH...you DON"T RECEIVE your SALVATION!
Ok, tell me plain, how many times do you want me to profess that I'm a Christian? I'm not an OSAS judge, just a Bible believing Christian. How many more times do you want me to say it to make you happy?DUH...IF YOU DON"T RECEIVE YOUR SALVATION....
YOU HAVE LOST "YOUR" SALVATION!!!
Whoops...did you already FORGET...Salvation is "yours".... ???
But you MUST claim it!
Gods GOODNESS...is OF God.
YOUR ACTION...is OF you.
Did YOU CLAIM YOUR Salvation....
ACCORDING TO GODS ORDER AND WAY?
HUH? DID YOU?
And "IF YOU DID"....
WHAT was "YOUR" PRECISE order and way of CLAIMING "YOUR" SALVATION?
It's your word against God's Word.ONCE a man CLAIMS his SALVATION...
ACCORDING TO...Gods WAY
That mans Salvation IS HIS FOR EVER.
That's my point.Has anyone EVER built an ark after reading about it in the Bible? Last I checked, “Dispensational Truth” was not around when Moses was inspired to write about the flood; and yet Moses didn’t build an ark.
A man with the Holy Spirit wouldn’t be foolish and build an ark after reading about the flood in Noah’s day. It’s just common sense. And for you to use this logic to discourage others to live by every word of God (as Jesus said) is not wise.
You tell me,Your question is a distraction from the issue.
No, you actually evaded the fact that it is written to Christians who are warned they will be cut off. Stop twisting perfectly clear Scripture. Take off your OSAS blinders. Are you Baptist?
Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
If ye then be risen with Christ . . . ye shall appear with Him in glory.