Who is Jesus Christ?

[Behold]

During this time of year, many think about Jesus and what he gave for us, but who is he really?

Jesus is Salvation.
He's God's Grace and Mercy.
He's Eternal Life.
He's the Blood Atonement.
He's the Glory of Heaven and the Bread of Heaven and the Bread of Life.
He's God in a human body.

 

[Truman]

Jesus Christ is the way to life, the only God-given way to life.
Jesus Christ is the way to life, the only God-given way, I say.
The only way to life.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Their bodies, yes. And they will burn in the everlasting fire "forever and forever".
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The lake of fire is defined sir, the second death. If God is as evil as you say I will be right there with you, as I will not serve a god with no sense of justice. Jehovah right from the very start made it clear what the penalty for disobedience is Gen 2:17

I would like to recommend this short video K: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-ebtv_4_VIDEO

 

[Robert Gwin]

John 1 The Word was God.
The Word became flesh ...

Jesus is God of the Bible.

As you said, the Word became flesh, not God with whom the Word was with.

 

[Robert Gwin]

On this part, my thinking is that in Jesus taking on the form of a servant, He was setting aside His choosing of these things. And in being found in fashion as a man, He humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, and of course, unto everything else, so that He could truthfully say, I only do what I see the Father do, and I only say what the Father says.

He did nothing of His Own initiative, as a man in this world.

Much love!

Yes sir, you are correct, and that is scriptural.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I've had this discussion, and studied the topic, for a number of years. You could say I'm familiar with the material.

Jeremiah wrote that YHWH is the God of all flesh, and therefore, when Jesus took on flesh, He took that on also. He joined us in our fleshy lives in all respects except without sin. Yet still He submitted to the Father as we are all to do. It's like He told John. He didn't need to be baptized, that was for the remission of sin, and He had no sin. Yet still He submitted to being baptized. He did everything we were supposed to do.

But again, from Philippians,

Philippians 2:6-8 KJV
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

I'm not talking about "to be equal with God". There's quite the discussion about those words, but no, I'm looking at:

made himself of no reputation
took upon him the form of a servant
being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself

Each of these three statements show transition. Transition involves both a former and latter state of being. And of course this is what that means to me:

God the Mighty and Exalted One . . . made Himself of no reputation.

God, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords . . . took upon Him the form of a servant.

God, the Creator of all, being found in fashion as a man, submitted Himself to that lowly estate.

Now, whether you would frame this as I do, probably not, right? However . . . Where was Jesus before He was a child in Mary's womb? And Who was He? We know Him, we've seen Him in the Bible.

No one has seen the Father at any time. Who did Abraham serve a meal to?

Genesis 18:1-5 KJV
1) And the YHWH appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2) And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3) And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4) Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5) And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

Much love!

Jesus baptism was not for sins as you stated, it was actually a baptism of anointing, at that point he became the Messiah/Christ which anointed means. I appreciate your loving ways sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hi Robert, no it's nothing like that, for that it would be madam which I hate. When people address the queen they say ma'am - pronounced mam as in ham not marm as in harm.
As for a mark of respect I really don't need it from a brother in Christ anymore than I would from a family member. Respect is in the attitude not the words. But thanks for it anyway.

you are very welcome Pearl, I will try to remember to call you Pearl instead of maam in the future, but I apologize in advance as I am likely to mess up.

 

[Robert Gwin]

That is wrong. Jesus is YHWH so cannot have any God!

Scriptural evidence sir?

 

[Pearl]

you are very welcome Pearl, I will try to remember to call you Pearl instead of maam in the future, but I apologize in advance as I am likely to mess up.

That's ok.

 

[Truman]

The lake of fire is defined sir, the second death. If God is as evil as you say I will be right there with you, as I will not serve a god with no sense of justice. Jehovah right from the very start made it clear what the penalty for disobedience is Gen 2:17

I would like to recommend this short video K: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-ebtv_4_VIDEO

1. The punishment of eternal fire, is, in my understanding, spiritual fire (baptism of fire, perhaps used to purify the souls of Levites?). I do not believe in the eternal punishment of fire. God led me to this truth through my Strongest NIV concordance years ago, though it took some time to find it.
2. If God, who knows the end from the beginning, created billions of people, knowing many would burn in fire for eternity, but did so anyway, how would Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, all of the fallen angels and demons, combined, be even a microscopic fraction as evil as Elohim?
3. A vision I had many years ago of God's glory had the golden rays tell me of God's eternal attributes, including His endless power that could destroy creation and recreate it in a second, if He wanted to. Obviously, He doesn't want to.
4. The above vision ended with our Father revealing His heart for me, to me. He knew everything I'd ever done, every secret I had, even everything I'd ever do, and yet He loved and accepted me unconditionally. Years before, He had planted John 3:16 in my heart. That's when I became a believer.
He loved me just the way I was, fortunately, He loved me too much to leave me that way. All the angels cry, "Holy!" Shalom.

 

[Wrangler]

Baptize in the NAME, singular, of the three - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost... the three share one name.

And this is mystical to you? Laugh in the name of Moe, Larry & Curley.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus also said, he who has seen me has seen the Father.

Another figurative statement, not a claim of divinity. All prophets speak the Word of God. It does not make them God.

 

[Heart2Soul]

While I agree that that time must have been incredibly stressing, I don't think He at that time felt hopeless... What He dreaded I believe was the impending separation from His Father that He knew was inevitable as the sin of the world was laid upon Him. Never before had they been apart... For any reason.

But wouldn't that cause a sense of hopelessness? Knowing what was about to happen and not being able to stop it?
In any case, I can only imagine what He was feeling at that time....and not imagine it in the degree of anguish He experienced.

 

[Heart2Soul]

During this time of year, many think about Jesus and what he gave for us, but who is he really?

He is God the Son....
The only begotten Son of God the Father....
And I personally believe they are distinct and separate of one another.

One reason for Satan's fall was his jealousy over Jesus and God's creation. .....and his pride.


Satan is jealous of Jesus:

Hebrews 1:4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (meaning the angels)

5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day I have begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (KJV)



What we’re being told is this was never ever told to the angels.


6) And again, when he brings in the first begotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him. (KJV)



If Satan wanted to exalt himself, this was something he could not stand and he could not stomach.

13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, “Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool?” (KJV)

 

[Heart2Soul]

He is God the Son....
The only begotten Son of God the Father....
And I personally believe they are distinct and separate of one another.

One reason for Satan's fall was his jealousy over Jesus and God's creation. .....and his pride.


Satan is jealous of Jesus:

Hebrews 1:4. Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (meaning the angels)

5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day I have begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (KJV)



What we’re being told is this was never ever told to the angels.


6) And again, when he brings in the first begotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him. (KJV)



If Satan wanted to exalt himself, this was something he could not stand and he could not stomach.

13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, “Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool?” (KJV)

Satan is jealous of humans:
Romans 8:16. The (Holy) Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit (meaning God’s Spirit in us), that we are (right now) the children of God …

17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ (of the same potential, the same future); if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. (KJV)



And the fact that human beings were going to be glorified and they would be above the angels, put humans in a position that Satan will never have: this family relationship with the Father. They are servants as we will see in a minute, but they are not Sons of the Father.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Satan is jealous of God the Father...
When you think about it, until that happened, until Satan became jealous of God, jealousy never existed before. It was created in the mind of Satan. It had never existed until he became jealous of God. The reason is that Satan is a being that wants the exaltation. He wants to be exalted and lifted up.
Isaiah 14:13. For you have said in your heart, I will ascent into heaven, I will exalt my throne (his throne) above the stars of God (or the angels of God): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation (I’m going to sit right up there with God) in the sides of the north:

14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds (again, exalting himself); I will be like the most High. (KJV)

He was not content to be anything less than right up there with God Almighty. Satan’s desire to be exalted led to his jealousy of God because he wanted God’s position. He was not content with his own position. That led to his attempt to replace God. We know there was a war in heaven and as we are going to see in a second, he was cast down.

 

[amadeus]

Jesus is God the Logos who left heaven and came to the earth that He created, to die a horrific death on a cross for our sins, then rose again.

Obviously Saul and David were mere men, and are not the creator, or savior, of the world

I am glad you are content with your simple explanation. What is obvious to you, is likely not obvious to everyone else, including me. Carry on my friend as God leads you.

 

[marks]

Jesus baptism was not for sins as you stated, it was actually a baptism of anointing, at that point he became the Messiah/Christ which anointed means. I appreciate your loving ways sir.

Jesus submitted to John's baptism, which was a baptism for the remission of sins.

Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Even John recognized this baptism didn't apply to Jesus.

Matthew 3:13-15 KJV
13) Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14) But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

In submitting to John's baptism, Jesus fulfilled righteousness. At this point we can only speculate exactly what that may mean, and how Jesus being baptized fulfills righteousness.

If we stay with that the Bible tells us, that's what this baptism was.

My thinking on this is that when Jesus was baptized in a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, though He had no sins, He began the work that would produce what is written here:

2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus, though having now sin, was baptized unto repentance and remission of sins, fulfilling righteousness.

There is nothing in the Bible about a "baptism of annointing". Though certainly God told John that the Christ would be the One upon Whom the Holy Spirit rested. God used that time as an opportunity to announce through the visible descent of the Holy Spirit, and His voice speaking from heaven, that Jesus is His Son.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes sir, you are correct, and that is scriptural.

So then what about this part where, He humbled Himself, and, He took the form of a servant, and, He made Himself of no reputation?

Who did those things, and when did He do them?

Much love!

 

[Curtis]

Another figurative statement, not a claim of divinity. All prophets speak the Word of God. It does not make them God.

Show me one prophet who said, he who has seen me has seen the Father, other than Jesus. There are none.

Jesus created the world.

Jesus was worshipped by the apostles who fell at His feet, and He accepted their worship, and did not stop it as the apostles and angels did when people worshipped them.