Why does the believer continue to believe?

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm telling you.

Stop deflecting.

I'm not the one making that argument, lol! Tell the one who is!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I notice that @Ferris Bueller 'liked' your post, yet your post refutes the one thing he goes on and on about, casting doubt on the permanence of rebirth, and God's ability to save.

Haven't you figured this thing out yet? I can look at the exact same wording of scripture you do about osas vs. not-osas and I can see how it's true whether you're osas or not-osas. That's why I'm telling you to stop with the stupid meaningless arguments and just do what the Bible says! KEEP BELIEVING! Good, grief, people!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you didn't last, you weren't real. This is so clear in the Bible. It's plainly stated, and interwoven throughout the text.

Then get real and stay real! This is very simple, people. Stop making it so complicated. Stop majoring in minors.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

They look at this verse and proclaim, You stop partaking if you stop holding your confidence. Specious!

Actually, 1 Joh 2:24 makes that more clear. Hebrews 3:6 and Hebrews 3:14 show us you can't not be believing and be saved at the same time.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'll resist what exactly?

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When you walk that path—the path that few find that leads to eternal life—that is when you are walking the 'feel good' path of obedience to God and know that you know God and He knows you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That is . . . "Gee, look at me, I'm being obedient, so my faith is valid, and I know I'm saved", then this is EXACTLY what you are doing, following a feel good path of keeping rules.

Much love!

See? I told you you'd resist it. And yet this is plainly taught in our Bibles. You can't see it. Jesus said few will.

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually, 1 Joh 2:24 makes that more clear. Hebrews 3:6 and Hebrews 3:14 show us you can't not be believing and be saved at the same time.

When folks try and say some of those who fall away never had good faith , or good love , i would remind them
of what paul told timothy about the widows WHO cast off THE FIRST GOOD FAITH .
Or what GOD told the church of ephesus . IF GOD was talking to folks in Ephesus that never had GOOD LOVE
why would HE TELL THEM to return TO IT . exactly . YET GOD says RETURN TO THIS LOVE YE HAD AT FIRST
or ya candel willl be put OUT . And proverbs is very clear . The candel of the wicked gets PUT OUT . YEP .
BUT it does show us the mercy of GOD . HE didnt just destroy , HE WARNS repent . Like i said , Every warning from GOD
as is EVERY PROMISE of GOD , GOOD FOR OUR SOULS that we take HEED .

 

[marks]

When you walk that path—the path that few find that leads to eternal life—that is when you are walking the 'feel good' path of obedience to God and know that you know God and He knows you.

And this is truly how you feel inside?

For me, living with God is so very different. There is a Person with me Who is all powerful, and I know He loves me. And I have a Book that tells me all about Him.

It used to be that I know Him only from His book. But now I know Him as a Person. And I know it's real because He shares with me His faith and His love.

And those are His commandments, that we trust, and we love. Do you do these? If you do, you keep His commandments. How do we do these?

That's what the trials are for. That's oftentimes when we really get to know Him.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

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Bueller my friend . It would be so easy if we just taught Christ , His sayings , the apostels sayings
and taught nothing else . teach no acroynm . JUST TEACH CHRIST . But folks often do not want that .
YET every word of GOD , every Word inspired by GOD works good unto those who hear and do .
AND if we have the SPIRIT we must HEED the SPIRIT . Now let the Glorious Lord be praised .
I would simply teach and say it , just like JESUS DID and just like the apostels did .
That includes every warning as well as every promise . It truly is so simple .

 

[marks]

See? I told you you'd resist it. And yet this is plainly taught in our Bibles. You can't see it. Jesus said few will.

You mean about judging yourself based on your self-image?

Where did Jesus say "few would see this?" OR is that your own statement?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Salvation is God's Blood.
Its God's Blood poured out (shed) as our SALVATION.
God's blood, makes us SINLESS, and keeps us SINLESS.
How can it not?
If it didn't, then it's useless, but Praise GOD its Eternal Life given as a GIFT.
The Blood Atonement, makes us Righteous and Keeps us Saved.

And why try to substitute ANYTHING for the Jesus' shed blood???

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually, 1 Joh 2:24 makes that more clear. Hebrews 3:6 and Hebrews 3:14 show us you can't not be believing and be saved at the same time.

IN essence look at what he is saying . HE is denying JESUS . cause JESUS even said if a man continue not in me he will be cast out .
And yet some folks are teaching we dont even have to continue in Faith , belief in HIM . Which means they actually
DENY the one who they claim saved them . WHY we just cant just teach SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE and TO CONTINUE in the grace
to continue in the faith firm to the end . I mean barnabus , paul , peter and others did .
Its simple , YE are saved by grace through FAITH in JESUS , Heed the SPIRIT and not the flesh .
Who we serve is whose we are . And as JESUS often warned the churches , Endure faithful to the END .
IF paul warned , and peter did and we know Christ did , Does it now mean those who remind the same as they did
No longer trust in CHRIST . NO , IT MEANS THEY TRUST IN CHRIST . CAUSE HE SAID IT FIRST .
SO my question is are we truly trusting in Christ or are we trusting in the doctrines of men , even when they contradict CHRIST own reminders .
IF someone truly TRUSTS In CHRIST , they gonna trust in ALL HIS sayings and the sayings of the apostles who we KNOW had HIS SPIRIT .

 

[marks]

No, the focus is on believing in Christ. Stop separating 'believing' from what is being believed in. That's where you guys are going wrong about all this. Believing MEANS believing in Christ. And believing in Christ means trusting that he does exactly what God said he will do for you.

So long as you are focused on "your believing" you've got your eye on yourself.

There is the concept of believing, and you focus on that. Make sure you keep believing.

But then there is believing itself, Jesus lives in me. I live in Him.

Look at faith as the eye of the soul. You say over and over . . . make sure you have an eye! I say, open your eyes and see Jesus.

These are first things. Live by faith so you can rest.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Why does the believer continue to believe?

Ephesians 2:10 KJV
10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Not according to @Behold . He says permanent partakers of Christ do not have to hold their confidence to the end.....

WE are not saved because we hold unto God.
We are saved because God holds unto us, by the Blood Atonement.

You are a self saver, and that is why all you can do is try to find a verse here or there, that you can twist.
You do not understand the blood atonement. You do not understand "born again".

 

[marks]

I'm not the one making that argument, lol! Tell the one who is!

Continued deflection.


Some received the word immediately with joy, but when the persecution came, they just fell away. There was no root. Yes. If you don't believe, you won't be born again, you won't have new life, and you won't be saved.

Got it!

But the thing is . . . you don't stop with that truth, and you use this to shift being saved, or, staying saved, to yourself, off of Christ. And this is error. God never let's you go, pure and simple. It's not up to you.

When you come to understand that to be reborn is something that will never ever change, you enter a new realm of faith, freefall, it's not on you.

You go on and on about, You're still saved if you don't believe? The born again believe. You can't not believe if you are born again. Do you believe you are real? You experience a sense of self in a body, so sure, of course, you do.

Being born again, there is a new sense of self, a new person, and we can tell. And not just that. This is a "shared space". I'm not alone. You may stop believing you are a person but I have zero expectation I will stop believing that God is with me.

Perhaps that's my best answer to my OP, why does the believer continue to believe? Because they are not alone.

My counsel to all is to make sure you know Him, and aren't just trying to follow a feel good path of keeping some rules or something.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So long as you are focused on "your believing" you've got your eye on yourself.

You did it again! You left off the 'in Christ' part. This is about 'believing in Christ'. It's not about believing in me, or believing in faith. It's about faith in Christ. Don't leave that part off when discussing this with me so we can stay on point.

 

[marks]

WE are not saved because we hold unto God.
We are saved because God holds unto us, by the Blood Atonement.

You are a self saver, and that is why all you can do is try to find a verse here or there, that you can twist.
You do not understand the blood atonement. You do not understand "born again".

"I have an anchor, sure and steadfast, piercing through the veil".

OH, that is, it's as sure as my puny little fingers clutching to the chain! I thank God that's not true!

It's hard for me to understand the mindset of those who think they must hold onto Jesus. That they'd better not let Him out of their hand! Some I know are deceived. But I also see the signs of deceivers in their mishandling of the Word.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Haven't you figured this thing out yet? I can look at the exact same wording of scripture you do about osas vs. not-osas and I can see how it's true whether you're osas or not-osas. That's why I'm telling you to stop with the stupid meaningless arguments and just do what the Bible says! KEEP BELIEVING! Good, grief, people!

You'd BETTER keep believing!

Or you can rest in Christ, through Who you can be saved.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Haven't you figured this thing out yet? I can look at the exact same wording of scripture you do about osas vs. not-osas and I can see how it's true whether you're osas or not-osas. That's why I'm telling you to stop with the stupid meaningless arguments and just do what the Bible says! KEEP BELIEVING! Good, grief, people!

What you aren't doing is looking at these same passages and harmonizing them with others, which very plainly refute your teaching.

Such as . . .

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

And in so doing, you attempt to introduce doubt into those who are trusting Jesus.

Trying to get people to believe that they are responsible to maintain their salvation, even to misrepresenting the Bible itself.

Much love!