Not the true Christian.But you said yourself, that no-one is lost because of sin, but because they don't believe. Are you saying that a Christian can never stop trusting? Believing? Having faith? Saving faith???
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Not the true Christian.But you said yourself, that no-one is lost because of sin, but because they don't believe. Are you saying that a Christian can never stop trusting? Believing? Having faith? Saving faith???
I do not sin in moments when I am abiding in Christ (1 John 3:6).
And the scripture is clear that it is possible to abide in Christ for ever more (1 John 2:17).
God doesn't change but how He acts does?
It seems to me that if He hasn't changed, His behaviour towards us isn't going to change either.
And also, even if His behaviour does change, His definition for words (like "repentance" is not going to change from dispensation to dispensation.
The Greek language may be limited as concerning words that mean to "make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan, towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God"...while the Hebrew language may be more adequate in being able to provide a word with that definition.
Therefore, I would say that the definition of repentance in Hebrew just might carry over into the definition for repentance in the New Testament; since we are talking about the same God here.
Yep, the Grace of God has got you covered as far as Salvation is concerned ( that was a “ free gift, remember)...
...you may get to explain to Jesus why you persisted in Sins after what He did for you on the Cross on that Day...
you ain't gonna be damned for Sinning ( people are only damned for Unbelief) ...
Heretics teach that water saves.
So, you should give that up.
A Born Again Christian can't be "lost".
Its impossible.
The Legalists, The Tares and others never get beyond seeing God as that “ mean old man in the sky “ , that old “ Cosmic Kill- Joy”
“ even if we are Unfaithful.....He REMAINS Faithful.....He can NOT go back on His Word....” 2 Tim 2:13
Does sin not separate us from God?
You can say what you want, but you do not have the authority to change the definitions of words!
Does sin separate the true Christian from God? Does sin makes the true child of God an enemy of his Father?Here is a timeless verse on the subject.Tong2020 said: ↑
Does sin not separate us from God?
Isa 59:2, But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
It should be clear that if anyone is born again, they have been set free from sin.
Rom 6:22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
In this scripture, the fact that the gift of God is eternal life does not nullify the fact that the wages of sin is death.
A major part of the gift is that you have been set free from sin, according to the context.
The true Christian "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).Does sin separate the true Christian from God? Does sin makes the true child of God an enemy of his Father?
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Do you not claim to be a true Christian? I think you do.The true Christian "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).Tong2020 said: ↑
Does sin separate the true Christian from God? Does sin makes the true child of God an enemy of his Father?
We must walk in the light as He is in the light in order for Jesus' blood to cleanse us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
That means that we must be transparent before God; and confess our sins when the Holy Spirit pinpoints them to us (1 John 1:9).
No, it does not.Does sin separate the true Christian from God? Does sin makes the true child of God an enemy of his Father?
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Someone who merely "thinks" he is "born again", whatever that may mean to them, but is not in truth born again, IS lost.However, someone who thinks he is born again, can be lost.
Maybe some do, I wouldn't be surprised.I think people abuse these scriptures with the intent of sinning and getting away with it.
Taking Christ for a fool will just be another charge as you stand before Him on Judgment Day.
Do you not claim to be a true Christian? I think you do.
Do you sin or not? I think you do.
So, when you sin, are you separated from Christ? When you sin do you become an enemy of God?
Someone who merely "thinks" he is "born again", whatever that may mean to them, but is not in truth born again, IS lost.
Yes, that is because we are the children of God and He is our Father. When we sin, we do not become His enemies. What we become is a disobedient child. And our Father chastise and disciplines us accordingly. Chastisement last until we learn and go to Him in repentance and ask for His forgiveness.No, it does not.Tong2020 said: ↑
Does sin separate the true Christian from God? Does sin makes the true child of God an enemy of his Father?
God reconciled us to Himself even while we were enemies. Now we are His children, and He says nothing will again condemn us. Not being under the Law, there is no Law to condemn.
We serve the Law of Jesus, doing what He wants, and Jesus is our intercessor. Jesus is our Judge. My Brother will judge me! Knowing me loving me, having lived my life with me.
Having promised me . . . "I will NEVER leave you, nor forsake you!"
Much love!
There's another promise. God gives us His solemn word that He will not just let us run off away from Him. He WILL chasten, and His chastening WILL BE effective.Yes, that is because we are the children of God and He is our Father. When we sin, we do not become His enemies. What we become is a disobedient child. And our Father chastise and disciplines us accordingly. Chastisement last until we learn and go to Him in repentance and ask for His forgiveness.
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And others believe these Scriptures that we are free from sin in all respects, and by that faith, live overcoming lives.
And in moments when you are not abiding in Christ, you are a false Christian?I am a true Christian in moments when I am abiding in Christ.Tong2020 said: ↑
Do you not claim to be a true Christian? I think you do.
Do you sin or not? I think you do.
I don't sin in those moments (1 John 3:6).
To quote the New Testament,Tong2020 said: ↑
So, when you sin, are you separated from Christ? When you sin do you become an enemy of God?
1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Now you tell me whether someone who is of the devil is an enemy of the Lord.
I am telling you someone who is of the devil is an enemy of the Lord.
I think that you should look to the scriptures for your answer.When a true Christian, a true child of God, commits sin, does he cease to be a child of God and become a child of the devil and so become separated from God and become his enemy?
I think that what we believe is our relationship with God and how we see God, somehow affects our reading of scriptures.There's another promise. God gives us His solemn word that He will not just let us run off away from Him. He WILL chasten, and His chastening WILL BE effective.Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes, that is because we are the children of God and He is our Father. When we sin, we do not become His enemies. What we become is a disobedient child. And our Father chastise and disciplines us accordingly. Chastisement last until we learn and go to Him in repentance and ask for His forgiveness.
You have to completely ignore that to think we'll be lost after being "saved".
Much love!
I believe that all our sins, past, present, and future, are forgiven. I find that as I believe this truth, that in Jesus all is forgiven, and all is overcome, that in fact I can live overcoming the sins of the flesh, in love, and joy, and peace.OK, here ya go...do you think that you can do no wrong in life...sin...or the wrong you do is not sin...or the sin you commit does not count?
The questions are for you, not for me. But you are right, the answers to those questions are in scriptures. Actually one will find them in Jesus Christ.I think that you should look to the scriptures for your answer.Tong2020 said: ↑
When a true Christian, a true child of God, commits sin, does he cease to be a child of God and become a child of the devil and so become separated from God and become his enemy?
I have already quoted 1 John 3:8.
So you believe that you can do wrong your whole life and still go to heaven...I believe that all our sins, past, present, and future, are forgiven. I find that as I believe this truth, that in Jesus all is forgiven, and all is overcome, that in fact I can live overcoming the sins of the flesh, in love, and joy, and peace.
I believe that when I am not trusting Jesus, but am instead looking to my self for something, that's where sin enters in.
Sin puts my true live in God on hold, as I allow the flesh, my original person, the one born from Adam, to have it's way. When I return to reliance on Jesus Alone, sin stops.
Sin can be destructive, can rob me of my fruitfulness, can rob me of my reputation, worldly goods, heavenly rewards, can hurt those I love, and those I don't know, can bring depression, sickness, death. Does sin count? What it doesn't do is condemn me. God, in Christ, has forgiven me.
Much love!