Acts 2:38 has been abandoned by Christianity

Norine J Williams said:

No one can "harmonize" the man Peter (Acts 2:38) TRYING to OVERRULE GOD (Acts 1:5) who DID NOT "REMEMBER" until Acts 11:15-16.

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Norine J Williams said:

It's a "big deal" when today's Christians TRY TO PRETEND they have received the Holy Ghost but don't have any of Jesus' promises HE PROMISED would come WITH HIS HOLY GHOST e.g.

"POWER" (Acts 1:8) after Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 1:5),

"SPIRITUAL GIFTS" (I Corinthians 12:7-10) after Holy Spirit baptism (I Corinthians 12:13) and

"SIGNS FOLLOWING" (Mark 16:17-18) after Holy Spirit baptism (Mark 16:16) to

"CONFIRM that the LORD is working with us with signs following" (Mark 16:20)!

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Norine J Williams said:

"For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:12)!

"But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God" (Acts 5:39)!

Let's look at the discussion:

"One baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)

Jesus does "with the Holy Ghost" (John 1:33; Acts 1:5) "PERFECTLY" (Psalm 18:30) Who gives "POWER" (Acts 1:8) "to become the sons of GOD" (John 1:12-13)

VS

A man's powerless water baptism that does NOTHING (Matthew 28:19+).

Which "one" would you choose?

ROMANS 6:3-4 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A WATER BAPTISM WHEN VERSE 3 SAYS "BAPTISM" AND VERSE 4 SAYS IS "LIKE AS CHRIST WAS RAISED UP BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER" (ROMANS 6:4) WHO IS THE HOLY GHOST (JOHN 4:24).

CONSEQUENTLY ROMANS 6:3-4 IS REFERRING TO HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM!

@CadyandZoe

Who said "What about Acts 19?"

Paul had just had a "Night Vision" (Acts 18:9-10) in which Jesus REVEALED "the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:26) for baptism rather than a water baptism (Acts 18:25) after Peter ***REMEMBERED*** (Acts 11:15-16).

Therefore THE CHURCH was now "with one accord" again (Acts 1:5)!

However the LYING Roman Catholic Church (Jeremiah 8:8) "ADDED" another water baptism back into Scripture in Acts 19:5 as though Paul "FORGOT GOD" (Psalm 9:17) just gave him a "Night Vision" (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26) who allegedly water baptized John's already water baptized "disciples" (((AGAIN))) making them "repent" (((AGAIN))) and "believe Jesus was coming" (Acts 19:4) (((AGAIN!))) (Acts 19:1-5)!

ANYONE can hear the anxiousness in Paul's voice to make sure John's disciples had been Holy Spirit baptized after having his "Night Vision" in Acts 19:1-5,

BUT LOOK WHAT CATHOLICS DID TO JESUS (Acts 18:9-10; 25-26)!

PEOPLE!

YOU ALL ARE MESSED UP BELIEVING IN CATHOLIC'S WATER BAPTISM THAT LEAVES YOU POWERLESS (LUKE 19:40) "DEAD SPIRITS" (ROMANS 5:12-14; I CORINTHIANS 15:21-22) WHEN THERE IS ONLY "ONE BAPTISM" (EPHESIANS 4:5) THAT JESUS DOES "WITH THE HOLY GHOST" (JOHN 1:33; ACTS 1:5) WHO GIVES "POWER" (ACTS 1:8) "TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD" (JOHN 1:12-13) WHO "HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST" (I CORINTHIANS 2:16)!

"DEAD SPIRITS"

WHO "KNOW NOTHING AT ALL" (ECCLESIASTES 9:5) THAT HAVE CREATED OVER 39.5K+ DIFFERENT SO CALLED "CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS" ALTHOUGH CHRIST HAS "ONE MIND" (PHILIPPIANS 2:2)!

YOU PEOPLE ARE IN (((A MESS))) WHO ONLY SERVE "AN IDOL" THAT WAS CREATED BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. A THING THAT IS ONLY CALLED "JESUS" (I CORINTHIANS 8:5)!

@CADYANDZOE

“Who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins..." (I Peter 2:24)!

Compare Romans 6:3-4 to I Peter 2:24 to SEE we "bury our [Past Romans 3:25] sins into Christ" (Romans 6:3-4) the day Jesus "chooses and ordains" us (John 15:16) to become Christians (John 1:12-13) as we "WITNESS" (Acts 1:8; 22) His "POWER" [aka "His resurrection" Acts 1:22] coming upon us" (Acts 1:8) when Holy Spirit baptized (John 1:33; Acts 1:5).

TODAY'S CHRISTIANS HAVE NEVER BEEN TAUGHT

JESUS "CHOOSES AND ORDAINS US" (JOHN 15:16) TO BE CHRISTIANS WHEN "HE BAPTIZES US WITH THE HOLY GHOST" (JOHN 1:33; ACTS 1:5) AND WE "WITNESS" HIS "POWER COMING UPON US" (ACTS 1:8) WHICH IS (((HIS RESURRECTION))) (ACTS 1:22)!

“Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that He was taken up from us, (((MUST))) one be (((ORDAINED))) (John 15:16) to be a (((WITNESS))) (Acts 1:5;8) with us of (((HIS RESURRECTION"))) (Acts 1:22)!

"HE THAT HATH EARS, LET HIM HEAR!"


@CADYANDZOE

(((EVERYONE))) AND I DO MEAN (((EVERYONE))) IS GOING TO BE LOST FOR (((NOT))) >>>LISTENING TO JESUS<<< IN ACTS 1:5!

TODAY'S CHRISTIANS (((REFUSE))) TO >>>LISTEN TO JESUS<<< RATHER >>>LISTEN TO PETER<<< IN ACTS 2:38!

(((JESUS SAID))) >>>HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM<<< IN ACTS 1:5!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>CAN'T YOU HEAR JESUS?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE" (JOHN 10:27)!

WHY?

WHY WOULD YOU NOT >>>>LISTEN TO JESUS?<<<<<<<

WHY WOULD YOU LET CATHOLICS (((BRAINWASH))) YOU?

WHY?

YOU (((REFUSE))) TO ACKNOWLEDGE

>>>PETER (((DID NOT))) **REMEMBER** UNTIL ACTS 11:15-16!<<<

FOR THIS >>>>>>>>>>YOU WILL BE LOST!<<<<<<<<<<<

THUS SAITH THE LORD:

>>>>>>"CATHOLIC DOCTRINE! LET MY PEOPLE GO!"<<<<<<


TWO BAPTISMS WHEN EPHESIANS 4:5 SAYS "ONE BAPTISM?"

REALLY?

WHEN "...HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST" (JOHN 1:33)?

REALLY?

"PERFECTLY" (ACTS 18:26; PSALM 18:30)?

REALLY?

"WE ALL MUST STAND BEFORE THE JUDGEMENT SEAT OF CHRIST" ( II Corinthians 5:10)!

I WANT TO SEE EACH OF YOU EXPLAIN TO GOD WHY YOU

>>>>>>>>>>"DENIED THE POWER OF GOD"<<<<<<<<< (II TIMOTHY 3:5-7)

"BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST" (JOHN 1:33)?

EXPLAIN IT!

START NOW GETTING YOUR LIE TOGETHER!

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CadyandZoe said:

Paul is not talking about burying our carnal nature in that passage. In order to understand Paul's meaning, we need to pay attention to the questions he is answering.

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
This rhetorical question follows from Paul's previous argument that God's grace is so extensive that he has forgiven us of all our transgressions. Our sins abound, but God's grace "super-abounds." Paul's objector will claim that Paul is promoting sin. If God's grace increased because our sin increased, and if this becomes a display of God's grace: then our sin glorifies God. And this conclusion proves that the gospel Paul preaches is false and Paul is a false teacher. Paul responds

May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Here begins Paul's defense against the claim that the gospel Paul preaches is a false gospel because it promotes sin. Paul will argue to the contrary, that his Gospel teaches us the true nature and penalty of sin.

Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
From Acts chapter 19, we are now familiar with the idiom "baptized into", which means "immersed into the teaching of someone." Those who were baptized into John, for instance, were immersed in John's teaching. Those of us who have been "baptized into Christ Jesus" are immersed in his teaching. Therefore, Paul argues, why would anyone immersed in the teaching of Christ Jesus still live in sin? Those who are immersed in the teaching of Christ Jesus, learned about his death.

Here is our first clue that Paul is NOT talking about death of self or the death of our carnal man. Though this teaching may be found elsewhere in the New Testament, that concept isn't the subject of Paul's point here. Paul isn't talking about OUR death; he is talking about the death of Christ Jesus -- what that means and why it was significant. And if we truly understood the significance of his death, we wouldn't want to continue in sin. We have been immersed in the teaching of his death, what it means, and why it is significant. Our death is not in view here.

Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Bear in mind, Paul is still defending the gospel in this context. And so, if we read this as a treatise on how to be saved, we will miss the point. Paul is not giving us practical advice about how to get saved. He is defending the teaching of Christ Jesus and why his followers are not likely to continue to sin that grace might increase. He isn't saying, "Okay now, get baptized so that you too might be buried with him." No. He is saying, "the gospel we believe tells us that Christ died on the cross in order to free us from sin and just as God raised Jesus from the dead, he is going to raise us from the dead also. This teaching motivates us to walk in newness of life. We are "buried with him" if we agree that we deserved to die on the cross rather than him; and if we agree that God favored his son and will grant his appeal on our behalf to save us from our sins.

For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection
It is a mistake to read this as if Paul is saying, "since we got water baptized we will be counted among those in the resurrection of the dead." This is not what Paul has in mind. Notice his use of term "likeness" to describe the death of Christ Jesus and his resurrection. The followers of Jesus are not hoping for a "likeness" of his resurrection; they are hoping for actual resurrection. Therefore, Paul is not speaking about actual resurrection; he is speaking about the likeness of resurrection.

In other words, when I enter into new life to become a follower of Jesus through the rite of water baptism, I picture my own death to sin, having employed a visual picture of burial, which is likened to Jesus actual burial in the ground. Then, when I emerge from the water, I have employed a visual image of my future resurrection when, at that time, I will be not only free of the penalty of sin; I will be free of sin itself, no longer to sin ever again. Since my hope is set on that day, when I get out of the water, I am committed to living in the light of that hope, walking in newness of life.

What is the point of this? Paul is arguing that the followers of Jesus are motivated to avoid sin, not to increase in sin, based on what they believe about the necessity of the cross and the significance of the cross as it relates to both Jesus and his followers. Why would someone who hopes to be set free from sin continue to live in it?

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CadyandZoe said:

Nothing is actually buried.


Negative. I showed you from scripture what baptism is.

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marksman said:

FYI and anyone's information the background to baptism is a common usage in New Testament days. Baptism in water was significant as many religions at the time considered a person a fully fledged member of the religion once they had been baptised in water. It indicated that they were fully committed to the religion. If they had not been baptised in water they were considered someone who had not become a fully fledged member of the religion. In other words, saying they were comitted had to be proved through baptism in water.

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Wrangler said:

While there are nuance differences with monotheism, they are theologies that reject dualism stand in opposition to trinitarianism.

I am a unitarian Christian. This means I hold there are 2 beings, not 3, involved in our salvation: God, who alone is the Father and his adopted son Jesus. God is Spirit and his Spirit is Holy. His Spirit is not a separate being.

The book of Acts explicitly tells us this. Notice the reference to God, in his unitarian nature below. Moreover, as children of God, we share in the same inheritance as Jesus - resurrection to life eternal.

For unitarian Christian‘s Jesus’ unique role as sole mediator, Savior and Grace extender is indispensable. See John 17:22. He is not one of them. He is one of us. The only difference is that at this time, he is the first human to be resurrected in a glorified body. Hope that answers your question.


He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.
Acts 17:31

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mailmandan said:

Is Spirit baptism non-existent in your vocabulary? (1 Corinthians 12:13)

In what sense were the Israelites "baptized into Moses" in 1 Corinthians 10:2? Do you believe they were water baptized into the body of Moses?

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Truther said:

They passed through the Red Sea(water) which you purposely omitted in your question.

Shame on you, Dan.

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