WHO’S IN CONTROL ?

Friends of Jesus · Dec 23, 2021

Are you cool, calm, & collective, or are you a short fuse, a ticking time bomb, an uncontrollable person? If the Spirit of the Living God truly lives within us, we should be able to maintain our desire to strike out and strike back in a volatile and violent way with your words and actions. What you allow to control you is the thing that truly possesses you.
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:16-22 KJV
One of the essential dynamics of the Spirit is temperance which is defined as : moderation in action, thought, or feeling : RESTRAINT
In the Greek it is defined simply as “ self control “ which is a derivative of a compound word which is defined as strong in a thing (masterful), that is, (figuratively and reflexively) self controlled (in appetite, etc.): - temperate.
The Holy Spirit is imparted in one aspect as a good and perfect gift who infuses us among other dynamics or miraculous working power the ability to restrain from the promptings of the old carnal man. He replaces our desire to retaliate with anger, with the ability to be reasonable, “ quick to hear “, and responsive “ slow to speak “ and restraining “ slow to wrath “. Why? Because the wrath of man resists and rebels against the righteousness of God, therefore the wrath of man is in opposition to the Fruit of the Spirit.
Brethren keep the faith today by responding in the Spirit; not reacting in the Flesh. Lay aside every sin and weight, all filthiness and superfluity ( surplus ) of naughtiness ( depravity, or malignity, or wickedness ) of the flesh . Then give the Spirit the reins of your heart and mouth, because your mouth is connected to your heart, “ out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks “. Again, what you allow to control you is the thing that possesses you, whether it be anger, un-forgiveness, fear etc. etc. Therefore keep they faith by being doers of the word and not hearers only. Selah!

Shalom, Agape, & Amen!

Robert Gwin · Dec 24, 2021

Friends of Jesus said:
Are you cool, calm, & collective, or are you a short fuse, a ticking time bomb, an uncontrollable person? If the Spirit of the Living God truly lives within us, we should be able to maintain our desire to strike out and strike back in a volatile and violent way with your words and actions. What you allow to control you is the thing that truly possesses you.
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:16-22 KJV
One of the essential dynamics of the Spirit is temperance which is defined as : moderation in action, thought, or feeling : RESTRAINT
In the Greek it is defined simply as “ self control “ which is a derivative of a compound word which is defined as strong in a thing (masterful), that is, (figuratively and reflexively) self controlled (in appetite, etc.): - temperate.
The Holy Spirit is imparted in one aspect as a good and perfect gift who infuses us among other dynamics or miraculous working power the ability to restrain from the promptings of the old carnal man. He replaces our desire to retaliate with anger, with the ability to be reasonable, “ quick to hear “, and responsive “ slow to speak “ and restraining “ slow to wrath “. Why? Because the wrath of man resists and rebels against the righteousness of God, therefore the wrath of man is in opposition to the Fruit of the Spirit.
Brethren keep the faith today by responding in the Spirit; not reacting in the Flesh. Lay aside every sin and weight, all filthiness and superfluity ( surplus ) of naughtiness ( depravity, or malignity, or wickedness ) of the flesh . Then give the Spirit the reins of your heart and mouth, because your mouth is connected to your heart, “ out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks “. Again, what you allow to control you is the thing that possesses you, whether it be anger, un-forgiveness, fear etc. etc. Therefore keep they faith by being doers of the word and not hearers only. Selah!

Shalom, Agape, & Amen!

Who is in control? At this time the god of this world satan. 1 Jn 5:19; 2 Cor 4:4; Mat 4:8,9

Hidden In Him · Dec 24, 2021

Friends of Jesus said:
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:16-22 KJV

Yes. James gives an excellent teaching on this. I find some of the things he says in the early part of Chapter 3 even better. But now, what you also have to take into account here is that people have different natures, and some are more prone to passionate expressions of emotion than others. That may sound like an excuse, but James even takes it into account when he brings up Elijah in Chapter 5, saying:

16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. 17 Elijah was a man of like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit. (James 5:16-18)

By "like passions as we," he was referring back to the passions over truth from falsehood that were causing all the fights among them, and how many were getting angry with one another (James 1:19), cursing one another (James 3:9-11), and getting into serious strife (James 4:1-5).

I say all that to say this: The emotional make up of some is much stronger than in others. I know men who are cerebral types, and appear to be almost entirely in their heads, whereas others appear to be almost entirely in their heart. As a result, controlling strong emotions is tougher for someone with such a psychological make up.

That said, I fully agree with James that a man should be slow to wrath. I'm simply saying that with every man there is a breaking point, and with some that breaking point comes sooner than in others. James' teaching needs to be read in light of what Paul said about "Let not the sun go down on your anger." This statement acknowledges that anger is going to be there, especially with the more emotionally-oriented, but it shouldn't stay there; that there needs to be a return to calm and peace, so that a spirit of bitterness doesn't take root.

To me, this is a more acute analysis of how the Spirit of God actually maintains control over us. Scripture accounts for the fact that we sometimes lose control of ourselves, and have to reign things back in.

Lastly, there is the issue of what happens when the Spirit of God within us is deeply grieved and even angered with something or someone, but this is actually under control by definition since it is something He is feeling through you. I get this one quite a lot, but also occasionally the other, where I am truly in a wrong spirit and need to repent of it.

God bless,
Hidden In Him

amigo de christo · Dec 24, 2021

Friends of Jesus said:
Are you cool, calm, & collective, or are you a short fuse, a ticking time bomb, an uncontrollable person? If the Spirit of the Living God truly lives within us, we should be able to maintain our desire to strike out and strike back in a volatile and violent way with your words and actions. What you allow to control you is the thing that truly possesses you.
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:16-22 KJV
One of the essential dynamics of the Spirit is temperance which is defined as : moderation in action, thought, or feeling : RESTRAINT
In the Greek it is defined simply as “ self control “ which is a derivative of a compound word which is defined as strong in a thing (masterful), that is, (figuratively and reflexively) self controlled (in appetite, etc.): - temperate.
The Holy Spirit is imparted in one aspect as a good and perfect gift who infuses us among other dynamics or miraculous working power the ability to restrain from the promptings of the old carnal man. He replaces our desire to retaliate with anger, with the ability to be reasonable, “ quick to hear “, and responsive “ slow to speak “ and restraining “ slow to wrath “. Why? Because the wrath of man resists and rebels against the righteousness of God, therefore the wrath of man is in opposition to the Fruit of the Spirit.
Brethren keep the faith today by responding in the Spirit; not reacting in the Flesh. Lay aside every sin and weight, all filthiness and superfluity ( surplus ) of naughtiness ( depravity, or malignity, or wickedness ) of the flesh . Then give the Spirit the reins of your heart and mouth, because your mouth is connected to your heart, “ out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks “. Again, what you allow to control you is the thing that possesses you, whether it be anger, un-forgiveness, fear etc. etc. Therefore keep they faith by being doers of the word and not hearers only. Selah!

Shalom, Agape, & Amen!

The problem my dear friend is that folks like me are being put into this camp. Just cause we warn and remind about truth .
We get seen as hostile , aggressive , non loving . But mark my words , It aint slowed me down a bit .
I am mean to none . But warn i do , expose i do . I shall expose every false teacher and every false doctrine
till the day my soul departs this body . Did you know that most often folks attack me as being the hater
they show no tolerance , no mercy , they just judge me as though i were satan himself .
They accuse me of being all the things they are . I will expose sin and error , false doctrine and all false leaders
till the day my soul departs my body . I hope that encouraged you my friend .

Marvelloustime · Dec 24, 2021

amigo de christo said:
The problem my dear friend is that folks like me are being put into this camp. Just cause we warn and remind about truth .
We get seen as hostile , aggressive , non loving . But mark my words , It aint slowed me down a bit .
I am mean to none . But warn i do , expose i do . I shall expose every false teacher and every false doctrine
till the day my soul departs this body . Did you know that most often folks attack me as being the hater
they show no tolerance , no mercy , they just judge me as though i were satan himself .
They accuse me of being all the things they are . I will expose sin and error , false doctrine and all false leaders
till the day my soul departs my body . I hope that encouraged you my friend .

Oh praise the glorious Lord. Sound it out brother. Rejoice in the Lord.

Oseas · Dec 24, 2021

Friends of Jesus said:
Are you cool, calm, & collective, or are you a short fuse, a ticking time bomb, an uncontrollable person? If the Spirit of the Living God truly lives within us, we should be able to maintain our desire to strike out and strike back in a volatile and violent way with your words and actions. What you allow to control you is the thing that truly possesses you.
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:16-22 KJV
One of the essential dynamics of the Spirit is temperance which is defined as : moderation in action, thought, or feeling : RESTRAINT
In the Greek it is defined simply as “ self control “ which is a derivative of a compound word which is defined as strong in a thing (masterful), that is, (figuratively and reflexively) self controlled (in appetite, etc.): - temperate.
The Holy Spirit is imparted in one aspect as a good and perfect gift who infuses us among other dynamics or miraculous working power the ability to restrain from the promptings of the old carnal man. He replaces our desire to retaliate with anger, with the ability to be reasonable, “ quick to hear “, and responsive “ slow to speak “ and restraining “ slow to wrath “. Why? Because the wrath of man resists and rebels against the righteousness of God, therefore the wrath of man is in opposition to the Fruit of the Spirit.
Brethren keep the faith today by responding in the Spirit; not reacting in the Flesh. Lay aside every sin and weight, all filthiness and superfluity ( surplus ) of naughtiness ( depravity, or malignity, or wickedness ) of the flesh . Then give the Spirit the reins of your heart and mouth, because your mouth is connected to your heart, “ out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks “. Again, what you allow to control you is the thing that possesses you, whether it be anger, un-forgiveness, fear etc. etc. Therefore keep they faith by being doers of the word and not hearers only. Selah!

Shalom, Agape, & Amen!

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years(Psalm 90:v.4; 2Pet.3:v.8; Heb.4:v.4), so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow:
Adam lived …...........................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………....105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ...............................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...........................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ...............................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived........................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ............................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =......1.656 years.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, as in the table below:

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood-------------------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-----------------------427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus------------------------430 years-Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ------------------------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem ---------------.508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus -------------.587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus -.----.4,004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-------.2,021 years
Total from Adam to our days ------------------------6,025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light-Genesis 1:v.16-came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis chap.1. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2,000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totaling 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already being Judged severely and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS takes over the government of the Universe. JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:v.18 - These words of JESUS fulfill LITERALLY despite being He invisible for now.

JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge ALL nations, taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and GOD's wrath is comes, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give Power Over the Nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Jay Ross · Dec 25, 2021

QUOTE="@Oseas post: 1194583, member: 8474"]I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, as in the table below:

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood-------------------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-----------------------427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus------------------------430 years-Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ------------------------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem ---------------.508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus -------------.587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus -.----.4,004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-------.2,021 years
Total from Adam to our days ------------------------6,025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light-Genesis 1:v.16-came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis chap.1. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2,000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totaling 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already being Judged severely and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.[/QUOTE]

Well, your understanding of when the Flood began, I would agree with, but the rest of your expressed opinion is not based on the word of God but upon conjecture and misunderstanding of the scripture themselves.

From the beginning of the flood until God called Abraham to walk in His earth, 343 years passed, then over a period of years the Abrahamic Covenant was Given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a further 240 years passed, until the last portion of the Abrahamic covenant was given to Jacob, just before he went down to Egypt with all of his household. Then as stated by Moses in Exodus: -

Exodus 12:40-42: - 40 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years — on that very same day — it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt. 42 It is a night of solemn observance to the Lord for bringing them out of the land of Egypt. This is that night of the Lord, a solemn observance for all the children of Israel throughout their generations.

NKJV

This then means that Galatians 3:17 is correct in that from the last portion of the Abrahamic covenant being given to Jacob just before he travelled down to Egypt to live out the rest of his days, until the giving of the Law which occurred at Mt Sinai, 430 years passed. We cannot go back to when God first began to develop the Abrahamic Covenant, some 50 years before Isaac was born while Abraham was still living in Ur of the Chaldeans.

Then as stated in 1 Kings: -

1 Kings 6:1: - 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

NKJV

Which means that from Israel coming out of Egypt by the Hand of God until King Saul was appointed, 396 years passed, which is in agreement with your claim above. But your other assumptions do not stand up to any close examination and it would appear that their is an error of the order of some 100 years between when Adam was created and when Christ was born relative to when Adam was created.

Your overall understanding is therefore not based on scripture as you suggest and in my opinion it is dubious to say the least.

Shalom

Oseas · Dec 25, 2021

Jay Ross said:
QUOTE="@Oseas post: 1194583, member: 8474"]I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, as in the table below:

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow:
Adam lived …...........................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………....105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ...............................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...........................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ...............................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived........................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ............................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =......1.656 years.

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood-------------------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-----------------------427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus------------------------430 years-Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ------------------------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem ---------------.508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus -------------.587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus -.----.4,004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-------.2,021 years
Total from Adam to our days ------------------------6,025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light-Genesis 1:v.16-came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis chap.1. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2,000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totaling 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already being Judged severely and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

[/QUOTE]

Well, your understanding of when the Flood began, I would agree with, but the rest of your expressed opinion is not based on the word of God but upon conjecture and misunderstanding of the scripture themselves.

From the beginning of the flood until God called Abraham to walk in His earth, 343 years passed, then over a period of 240 years the Abrahamic Covenant, that was Given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, a further 240 years passed, until the last portion of the Abrahamic covenant was given to Jacob, just before he went down to Egypt with all of his household. Then as stated by Moses in Exodus: -

Exodus 12:40-42: - 40 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years — on that very same day — it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt. 42 It is a night of solemn observance to the Lord for bringing them out of the land of Egypt. This is that night of the Lord, a solemn observance for all the children of Israel throughout their generations.

NKJV

Please, did not you see that the table above is about the BIRTH of Abraham, not to the time GOD called him?

This then means that Galatians 3:17 is correct in that from the last portion of the Abrahamic covenant being given to Jacob just before he travelled down to Egypt to live out the rest of his days, until the giving of the Law which occurred at Mt Sinai, 430 years passed. We cannot go back to when God first began to develop the Abrahamic Covenant, some 50 years before Isaac was born while Abraham was still living in Ur of the Chaldeans.

Then as stated in 1 Kings: -

1 Kings 6:1: - 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

NKJV

Which means that from Israel coming out of Egypt by the Hand of God until King Saul was appointed, 396 years passed, which is in agreement with your claim above. But your other assumptions do not stand up to any close examination and it would appear that their is an error of the order of some 100 years between when Adam was created and when Christ was born relative to when Adam was created.

You are seeing the things according your "good" intention.

Your overall understanding is therefore not based on scripture as you suggest and in my opinion it is dubious to say the least.

I quoted King James Version, if you suggest it is not the Word of GOD, it is your spirit blinding your mind.

Jay Ross · Dec 25, 2021

Oseas said:
Please, did not you see that the table above is about the BIRTH of Abraham, not to the time GOD called him?

By my understanding of the scriptures, Abraham was born 1949 years after the creation of Adam, which was 293 years after the beginning of the Flood, i.e. 1949-1656 years yet you are claiming that Abraham was born 437 years after the beginning of the flood which means that there is an error of around 144 years in your calculations.

Oseas said:
You are seeing the things according your "good" intention.

Well that is your understanding based on your "good" intentions.

Oseas said:
I quoted King James Version, if you suggest it is not the Word of GOD, it is your spirit blinding your mind.

What difference do the various English translation make to the accuracy of the calculations that either you or I have undertaken.

This is not a disagreement on the fallibility of the various English Translations which you have just turned this thread into.

The KJV would still give the same results in the chronological calculations that I have undertaken. If your calculations is based on the KJV, then they should have also come to the same conclusions as I have presented.

Now your nastiness can be seen in the red highlighted words in the above quote that you wrote.

Have a good day now.

Oseas · Dec 25, 2021

Jay Ross said:
By my understanding of the scriptures, Abraham was born 1949 years after the creation of Adam, which was 293 years after the beginning of the Flood, i.e. 1949-1656 years yet you are claiming that Abraham was born 437 years after the beginning of the flood which means that there is an error of around 144 years in your calculations.

Could you make a biblical demonstration of your theory as the table of times above exposed ?

In the table of time I exposed above, where I pointed 427 years from the flood to Avram, in fact I pointed when Abram left Haran after the death of his father, not when he was born from Terah.

Jay Ross said:
What difference do the various English translation make to the accuracy of the calculations that either you or I have undertaken.
This is not a disagreement on the fallibility of the various English Translations which you have just turned this thread into.

The KJV would still give the same results in the chronological calculations that I have undertaken. If your calculations is based on the KJV, then they should have also come to the same conclusions as I have presented.

Could you make a biblical demonstration of your theory as the table of times above exposed ?

Jay Ross said:
Now your nastiness can be seen in the red highlighted words in the above quote that you wrote.

You said to me in your prior post, "Your overall understanding is therefore not based on scripture."
I think that "nastiness" is to lie for to deny the Word of God I used to SEEK a better and truer understanding of the times.
What you said was terrible, it was diabolical.

That said, let us remember what does the Word of GOD say for our understanding and prudence?

Deuteronomy 7:v.9-10
9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, He is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him and keep His Word / commandments to a thousand generations;

10 And repayeth them that hate(bothers) Him to their face, to destroy them: He will not be slack to him that hate(bothers) Him, He will repay him to his face.

Jay Ross said:
Have a good day now.

Well, what did our Lord JESUS say?
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Matt.6:v.34
I work with the Word of GOD, the Word of life. The Word is GOD.

2 Corinthians 2:v.14 - Now thanks be unto God, who always causeth us to triumph in Christ and who maketh manifest through us the savor of His knowledge in every place.
Amen

dev553344 · Dec 25, 2021

Friends of Jesus said:
Are you cool, calm, & collective, or are you a short fuse, a ticking time bomb, an uncontrollable person? If the Spirit of the Living God truly lives within us, we should be able to maintain our desire to strike out and strike back in a volatile and violent way with your words and actions. What you allow to control you is the thing that truly possesses you.
(16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
(17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(19) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
(20) For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(21) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(22) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:16-22 KJV
One of the essential dynamics of the Spirit is temperance which is defined as : moderation in action, thought, or feeling : RESTRAINT
In the Greek it is defined simply as “ self control “ which is a derivative of a compound word which is defined as strong in a thing (masterful), that is, (figuratively and reflexively) self controlled (in appetite, etc.): - temperate.
The Holy Spirit is imparted in one aspect as a good and perfect gift who infuses us among other dynamics or miraculous working power the ability to restrain from the promptings of the old carnal man. He replaces our desire to retaliate with anger, with the ability to be reasonable, “ quick to hear “, and responsive “ slow to speak “ and restraining “ slow to wrath “. Why? Because the wrath of man resists and rebels against the righteousness of God, therefore the wrath of man is in opposition to the Fruit of the Spirit.
Brethren keep the faith today by responding in the Spirit; not reacting in the Flesh. Lay aside every sin and weight, all filthiness and superfluity ( surplus ) of naughtiness ( depravity, or malignity, or wickedness ) of the flesh . Then give the Spirit the reins of your heart and mouth, because your mouth is connected to your heart, “ out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks “. Again, what you allow to control you is the thing that possesses you, whether it be anger, un-forgiveness, fear etc. etc. Therefore keep they faith by being doers of the word and not hearers only. Selah!

Shalom, Agape, & Amen!

This kinda sounds like pshycho babel to me. Who is in control. I used to use that psychology teaching that control is an illusion. It's something they teach you in anger management. Now that I'm past anger management teachings I find there is valid reason to get angry at times. To not get angry can lead to depression. Anger turned outward or inward.

I think people flame and goad a lot which has a natural response on forums like this. It shouldn't be that way but it happens all too much. Personal attacks, etc. People that practice these principles might even enjoy being sadistic. Just saying, never know who's on the other end of the line on these forums.

Jay Ross · Dec 25, 2021

The year in Noah’s life that the flood began. Noah was 600 years old.

Genesis 7:7-12: - 7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, 9 two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.

The Year in Noah’s life that the flood ended. Noah was 601 years old.

Genesis 8:13-19: - 13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.

15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 "Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons' wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark.

. . . . . .

28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29 So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty one years; and he died.

The Chronology of Shem’s descendants.

Genesis 11:10-26: -

10 This is the genealogy of Shem: Shem was one hundred years old, and begot Arphaxad two years after the flood. . . . .

12 Arphaxad lived thirty-five years, and begot Salah. . . .

14 Salah lived thirty years, and begot Eber. . . . .

16 Eber lived thirty-four years, and begot Peleg. . . . .

18 Peleg lived thirty years, and begot Reu. . . . . .

20 Reu lived thirty-two years, and begot Serug. . . . .

22 Serug lived thirty years, and begot Nahor. . . . .

24 Nahor lived twenty-nine years, and begot Terah. . . . .

26 Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, . . .

So the year in which the flood was finished was the year 1,657 AA.

The Chronology additions from the Flood until when Abraham was born is: -

2 + 35 + 30 + 34 + 30 + 32 + 30 + 29 + 70 = 292 years

From the Chronology we know that Abraham was 58 years old when his father, Noah, died, so that the understanding of what Stephen stated in Act 7:

Acts 7:2-5: - 2 And he said, "Brethren and fathers, listen: The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran, 3 and said to him, 'Get out of your country and from your relatives, and come to a land/an earth that I will show you.' 4 Then he came out of the land of the Chaldeans and dwelt in Haran. And from there, when his father (Noah) was dead, He moved him to this land in which you now dwell. 5 And God gave him no inheritance in it, not even enough to set his foot on. But even when Abraham had no child, He promised to give it to him for a possession, and to his descendants after him.

Now you corrected your understanding by stating this: -

Oseas said:
In the table of time I exposed above, where I pointed 427 years from the flood to Avram, in fact I pointed when Abram left Haran after the death of his father, not when he was born from Terah.

So adding 75 years to the 292 years above, we come to the number of years as being 367 years which is different to what you have claimed by the correction you applied to when Abraham was born based on a flawed understanding of what Stephen had said in his defence before he was stoned to death concerning the death of Noah, who was the father being referenced by Stephen which no one disputed with Stephen about.

In Genesis 22:22-24 we are introduced to the story of Nahor, Abraham’s brother, by Nahor servants, who had been sent to inform Abraham of Terah’s death.

Now I believe what we have been told in Genesis 11 concerning when Abraham was born, but you have shown that you do not accept this part of God’s word as being true, because you have changed it.

I am not the one who is lying concerning what the scriptures are telling us.

Have a good day now.

Nancy · Dec 25, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Yes. James gives an excellent teaching on this. I find some of the things he says in the early part of Chapter 3 even better. But now, what you also have to take into account here is that people have different natures, and some are more prone to passionate expressions of emotion than others. That may sound like an excuse, but James even takes it into account when he brings up Elijah in Chapter 5, saying:

16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. 17 Elijah was a man of like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit. (James 5:16-18)

By "like passions as we," he was referring back to the passions over truth from falsehood that were causing all the fights among them, and how many were getting angry with one another (James 1:19), cursing one another (James 3:9-11), and getting into serious strife (James 4:1-5).

I say all that to say this: The emotional make up of some is much stronger than in others. I know men who are cerebral types, and appear to be almost entirely in their heads, whereas others appear to be almost entirely in their heart. As a result, controlling strong emotions is tougher for someone with such a psychological make up.

That said, I fully agree with James that a man should be slow to wrath. I'm simply saying that with every man there is a breaking point, and with some that breaking point comes sooner than in others. James' teaching needs to be read in light of what Paul said about "Let not the sun go down on your anger." This statement acknowledges that anger is going to be there, especially with the more emotionally-oriented, but it shouldn't stay there; that there needs to be a return to calm and peace, so that a spirit of bitterness doesn't take root.

To me, this is a more acute analysis of how the Spirit of God actually maintains control over us. Scripture accounts for the fact that we sometimes lose control of ourselves, and have to reign things back in.

Lastly, there is the issue of what happens when the Spirit of God within us is deeply grieved and even angered with something or someone, but this is actually under control by definition since it is something He is feeling through you. I get this one quite a lot, but also occasionally the other, where I am truly in a wrong spirit and need to repent of it.

God bless,
Hidden In Him

Wow, awesome word brother,
Yes! We are not clones of one another, I think that is why it is called "The sin that so besets us"? All of us have our personal weaknesses I would think, and you described mine above. Short tempered but for the largest part, only with myself...and out of frustration. It has been getting much better as of late (Praise Him!) but...yeah, I was never a kick back kind of gal, lol.
Really enjoyed your post.
Merry Christmas and God bless you too.

Hidden In Him · Dec 26, 2021

Nancy said:
Wow, awesome word brother,
Yes! We are not clones of one another, I think that is why it is called "The sin that so besets us"? All of us have our personal weaknesses I would think, and you described mine above. Short tempered but for the largest part, only with myself...and out of frustration. It has been getting much better as of late (Praise Him!) but...yeah, I was never a kick back kind of gal, lol.
Really enjoyed your post.
Merry Christmas and God bless you too.

Merry Christmas to you, sister! Hope you had a fun day!
: )

Oseas · Dec 26, 2021

Jay Ross said:
The Chronology additions from the Flood until when Abraham was born is: -
2 + 35 + 30 + 34 + 30 + 32 + 30 + 29 + 70(wrong) = 292 years

Analyzing your Chronology by the Word of GOD, I see that it really is wrong.

"]Now I believe what we have been told in Genesis 11 concerning when Abraham was born, but you have shown that you do not accept this part of God’s word as being true, because you have changed it.

I am not the one who is lying concerning what the scriptures are telling us.["

Nancy · Dec 26, 2021

Hidden In Him said:
Merry Christmas to you, sister! Hope you had a fun day!
: )

Thank you Hidden, same to you!

Jay Ross · Dec 26, 2021

Oseas said:
Analyzing your Chronology by the Word of GOD, I see that it really is wrong.

"]Now I believe what we have been told in Genesis 11 concerning when Abraham was born, but you have shown that you do not accept this part of God’s word as being true, because you have changed it.

I am not the one who is lying concerning what the scriptures are telling us.["

But, all I have is your word for the fact that you believe that I am wrong, whereas the Bible indicates that I am right in my understanding of Genesis 11:10-26, 20:22-24 as well as Acts 7:2-5 with respect to which Father, i.e. Noah, died before Abraham left Haran to go down to the Land of Canaan.

Where there are two different passages that seem to be in conflict to us, it is usually because of our interpretation/understanding of what is being said.

The Book of Jasher which is referenced in the Bible provides the following information: -

Book of Jasher, Chapter 7, verse 22 states: -

22. And Peleg his brother begat Yen, and Yen begat Serug, and Serug begat Nahor and Nahor begat Terah, and Terah was thirty-eight years old, and he begat Haran and Nahor.

And verse 49-51 gives us this information.

49. And Terah the son of Nahor, prince of Nimrod's host, was in those days very great in the sight of the king and his subjects, and the king and princes loved him, and they elevated him very high.
50. And Terah took a wife and her name was Amthelo the daughter of Cornebo; and the wife of Terah conceived and bare him a son in those days.
51. Terah was seventy years old when he begat him, and Terah called the name of his son that was born to him Abram, because the king had raised him in those days, and dignified him above all his princes that were with him.

Then in chapter 9 in verse 5-7 we are told that Abraham live with Noah: -

5. And when Abram came out from the cave, he went to Noah and his son Shem, and he remained with them to learn the instruction of the Lord and his ways, and no man knew where Abram was, and Abram served Noah and Shem his son for a long time.
6. And Abram was in Noah's house thirty-nine years, and Abram knew the Lord from three years old, and he went in the ways of the Lord until the day of his death, as Noah and his son Shem had taught him; and all the sons of the earth in those days greatly transgressed against the Lord, and they rebelled against him and they served other gods, and they forgot the Lord who had created them in the earth; and the inhabitants of the earth made unto themselves, at that time, every man his god; gods of wood and stone which could neither speak, hear, nor deliver, and the sons of men served them and they became their gods.
7. And the king and all his servants, and Terah with all his household were then the first of those that served gods of wood and stone.

In Chapter 11 we are told that Abraham left Noah’s house when he was 50 years old and went and lived with Terah, in his father’s house.

13. And in the fiftieth year of the life of Abram son of Terah, Abram came forth from the house of Noah, and went to his father's house.14. And Abram knew the Lord, and he went in his ways and instructions, and the Lord his God was with him.
15. And Terah his father was in those days, still captain of the host of king Nimrod, and he still followed strange gods.

Now if we accept the Bible Chronologies in Genesis, we are able to determine that Abraham was 59 years old when Noah died. However, in your chronology, you have put Abraham's birth as being after the death of Noah, which means that the back story of Abraham's life in Ur and his living with Noah never happened.

Moses's abridged story of the first 2,400 or so years of the Story of man does not give us all of the story that is contained in the Book of Jasher and we must consider what is written in this book with caution, however it does provide a number of confirmations that the chronologies in Genesis is accurate and should be accepted as written.

I have accepted that the Chronologies in the Book of Genesis are accurate. You on the other hand do not believe that they are accurate with respect to when Abraham was born when Terah was 70 years old.

Perhaps you should get off of your fallible high horse and begin to believe all of the scriptures as presented.

Have a good day now.

Oseas · Dec 26, 2021

Jay Ross said:
But, all I have is your word for the fact that you believe that I am wrong, whereas the Bible indicates that I am right in my understanding of Genesis 11:10-26, 20:22-24 as well as Acts 7:2-5 with respect to which Father, i.e. Noah, died before Abraham left Haran to go down to the Land of Canaan.

Where there are two different passages that seem to be in conflict to us, it is usually because of our interpretation/understanding of what is being said.

The Book of Jasher which is referenced in the Bible provides the following information: -

Book of Jasher, Chapter 7, verse 22 states: -

22. And Peleg his brother begat Yen, and Yen begat Serug, and Serug begat Nahor and Nahor begat Terah, and Terah was thirty-eight years old, and he begat Haran and Nahor.

And verse 49-51 gives us this information.

49. And Terah the son of Nahor, prince of Nimrod's host, was in those days very great in the sight of the king and his subjects, and the king and princes loved him, and they elevated him very high.
50. And Terah took a wife and her name was Amthelo the daughter of Cornebo; and the wife of Terah conceived and bare him a son in those days.
51. Terah was seventy years old when he begat him, and Terah called the name of his son that was born to him Abram, because the king had raised him in those days, and dignified him above all his princes that were with him.

Then in chapter 9 in verse 5-7 we are told that Abraham live with Noah: -

5. And when Abram came out from the cave, he went to Noah and his son Shem, and he remained with them to learn the instruction of the Lord and his ways, and no man knew where Abram was, and Abram served Noah and Shem his son for a long time.
6. And Abram was in Noah's house thirty-nine years, and Abram knew the Lord from three years old, and he went in the ways of the Lord until the day of his death, as Noah and his son Shem had taught him; and all the sons of the earth in those days greatly transgressed against the Lord, and they rebelled against him and they served other gods, and they forgot the Lord who had created them in the earth; and the inhabitants of the earth made unto themselves, at that time, every man his god; gods of wood and stone which could neither speak, hear, nor deliver, and the sons of men served them and they became their gods.
7. And the king and all his servants, and Terah with all his household were then the first of those that served gods of wood and stone.

In Chapter 11 we are told that Abraham left Noah’s house when he was 50 years old and went and lived with Terah, in his father’s house.

13. And in the fiftieth year of the life of Abram son of Terah, Abram came forth from the house of Noah, and went to his father's house.14. And Abram knew the Lord, and he went in his ways and instructions, and the Lord his God was with him.
15. And Terah his father was in those days, still captain of the host of king Nimrod, and he still followed strange gods.

Now if we accept the Bible Chronologies in Genesis, we are able to determine that Abraham was 59 years old when Noah died. However, in your chronology, you have put Abraham's birth as being after the death of Noah, which means that the back story of Abraham's life in Ur and his living with Noah never happened.

Moses's abridged story of the first 2,400 or so years of the Story of man does not give us all of the story that is contained in the Book of Jasher and we must consider what is written in this book with caution, however it does provide a number of confirmations that the chronologies in Genesis is accurate and should be accepted as written.

I have accepted that the Chronologies in the Book of Genesis are accurate. You on the other hand do not believe that they are accurate with respect to when Abraham was born when Terah was 70 years old.

Perhaps you should get off of your fallible high horse and begin to believe all of the scriptures as presented.

Have a good day now.

As I have always said, I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. GOD is Truth.

I'm stretching the subject because the only thing that matters is the Truth, of course. I speak for myself, I must believe you think so too. GOD is the Truth. The Word is GOD. I like to work with the Word of GOD.

Therefore, you must not and cannot look to strange sources like the book of Jasher, a book of Devil, to try to interpret the Word of GOD. The Scriptures (capital S) explains the Scriptures. We have to fight against the Red Dragon within this environment that we are still living in, he has not yet been cast down into the bottomless pit, understaand?

I'll show you where in GOD's Word your Chronology is wrong, but first I want to ask you not to throw Jasher's book in the trash so that others don't use it for reading, BURN IT and the moment you burn it before of Satan, tell to Satan, still with the Satan's book on fire, yeah, say: Go / Down to the abyss Satan, because there is your place. Just stick with the Word of God to interpret the Holy Scriptures. Are we agreed?

For you to correct the error in your Chronology, which I pointed out by the Word of God in post #15, you need to read Genesis 11:v.32 and continue in chap. 12:v.1 to 4, exactly when Abram's father died, and Abram left Haran and was 75 years old, then you will see where your mistake is. (70 years pointed by the devil in his book is wrong, course, the Devil abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.)

Hope this helps you walk in what is true.

Jay Ross · Dec 26, 2021

Oseas said:
As I have always said, I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. GOD is Truth.

I'm stretching the subject because the only thing that matters is the Truth, of course. I speak for myself, I must believe you think so too. GOD is the Truth. The Word is GOD. I like to work with the Word of GOD.

Therefore, you must not and cannot look to strange sources like the book of Jasher, a book of Devil, to try to interpret the Word of GOD. The Scriptures (capital S) explains the Scriptures. We have to fight against the Red Dragon within this environment that we are still living in, he has not yet been cast down into the bottomless pit, understaand?

I'll show you where in GOD's Word your Chronology is wrong, but first I want to ask you not to throw Jasher's book in the trash so that others don't use it for reading, BURN IT and the moment you burn it before of Satan, tell to Satan, still with the Satan's book on fire, yeah, say: Go / Down to the abyss Satan, because there is your place. Just stick with the Word of God to interpret the Holy Scriptures. Are we agreed?

For you to correct the error in your Chronology, which I pointed out by the Word of God in post #15, you need to read Genesis 11:v.32 and continue in chap. 12:v.1 to 4, exactly when Abram's father died, and Abram left Haran and was 75 years old, then you will see where your mistake is. (70 years pointed by the devil in his book is wrong, course, the Devil abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.)

Hope this helps you walk in what is true.

You are so full of it that it is a waste of time continuing this conversation.

I can tell you once, I can tell you a second time, but after that it becomes a waste of my time and effort, because you are a fundamentalist and as such you are not open to God's truth and believe that your understanding is what is true. How wrong you are, because you have not read and reread a number of times the scriptures to allow God's revelation to germinate and take hold so that you can see the truth of the matter.

Have a good day now.

Oseas · Dec 26, 2021

Jay Ross said:
You are so full of it that it is a waste of time continuing this conversation.

I can tell you once, I can tell you a second time, but after that it becomes a waste of my time and effort, because you are a fundamentalist and as such you are not open to God's truth and believe that your understanding is what is true. How wrong you are, because you have not read and reread a number of times the scriptures to allow God's revelation to germinate and take hold so that you can see the truth of the matter.

Have a good day now.

You believe not in the Word of GOD, as I pointed you to read and see how wrong you are beliving in Satan and his devilish and

CURSED book of a demon called Jasher. Not only the Devil was cursed by GOD, their world as a whole is CURSED and will be burnt

with everlasting fire. GOD is a devouring fire. The Word is GOD.

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