Have you ever thought about how we would think without words?

Angelina · Apr 23, 2022

TLHKAJ said:
Feeling and on a deeper level, knowing. I have memories from in the womb/birth as well as infancy.

My memories from in the womb/being born was that there was the presence of evil, and evil hands ready to receive me as soon as I was birthed. (Birthing rituals are common in high level cult bloodline.) But what I remember is that I knew that "evil" was there and I understood it was a spiritual being whose hands were there to grab hold of me as I was born. And I didn't want to be born. Babies know immensely more than most people realize.

Incidentally, that desire not to be born created a "legal" (but not really legal) right for the attachment of "death" programming ...suicide, etc. My first attempt to die was at age 5. And I tried to die many times in my childhood. I would take a pillow into my little brother's toy box, shut the lid, hold the pillow over my face and go to sleep, thinking I would just die in my sleep.

Look up the Hebrew word... neshamah.

Hebrew: נשׁמה
Transliteration: neshâmâh
Pronunciation: nesh-aw-maw'
Definition: From H5395; a {puff} that {is} {wind } angry or vital {breath} divine {inspiration} intellect or (concretely) an animal: - {blast} (that) breath ({-eth}) {inspiration} {soul} spirit.
KJV Usage: breath (17x), blast (3x), spirit (2x), inspiration (1x), souls (1x).
Occurs: 24
In verses: 24

Proverbs 20:27
[27]The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

The word "spirit" in Hebrew is "neshamah."
The word "belly" in the Hebrew refers to the womb.

Hebrew: בּטן
Transliteration: beţen
Pronunciation: beh'-ten
Definition: From an unused root probably meaning to be hollow; the {belly} especially the womb; also the bosom or body of anything: - {belly} {body} + as they be {born} + {within} womb.
KJV Usage: belly (30x), womb (31x), body (8x), within (2x), born (1x).
Occurs: 72
In verses: 72

Interesting TLHKAJ. When I grew old enough to string some words together, I remember telling my family something similar but that story is on another level and the main reason why I believe that Jesus is real and so is Father and the Holy Spirit! Blessings and Peace xox

TLHKAJ · Apr 23, 2022

Angelina said:
Interesting TLHKAJ. When I grew old enough to string some words together, I remember telling my family something similar but that story is on another level and the main reason why I believe that Jesus is real and so is Father and the Holy Spirit! Blessings and Peace xox

Amazing! Thank you for sharing.

Blessings to you!

dev553344 · Apr 23, 2022

TLHKAJ said:
Devin, I know you have issues and don't like for me to share any of my testimony.

It's not the testimony of yours that I had trouble with in the past. I discourage focusing on the devil and his followers. I believe that is what the devil wants. To focus on him and his works instead of the Lord and good works. Not that you do that only of course.

Moving on now, but I wanted to clarify my beliefs so you're not confused about me.

Angelina · Apr 23, 2022

TLHKAJ said:
Amazing! Thank you for sharing.

Blessings to you!

We are going to have to compare notes sometime because this is so unusual....

TLHKAJ · Apr 23, 2022

devin553344 said:
It's not the testimony of yours that I had trouble with in the past. I discourage focusing on the devil and his followers. I believe that is what the devil wants. To focus on him and his works instead of the Lord and good works. Not that you do that only of course.

Moving on now, but I wanted to clarify my beliefs so you're not confused about me.

Your perception is fear based. I have no issue exposing the enemy.
Done.

TLHKAJ · Apr 23, 2022

Angelina said:
We are going to have to compare notes sometime because this is so unusual....

Yes, let's please do that. I was thinking the same thing, @Angelina.

Jay Ross · Apr 23, 2022

Ah @FluffyYellowDuck a baby has every feeling that it needs when it is born. The baby is programmed to cry in response to those feelings and needs. A parent learns to interpret the meaning that their cry is indicating and so response accordingly.

Out of this interaction the baby learns how to communicate, first with crying and then with sounds that begin to form words and expressions that have meanings that the parents and the baby can communicate with. Parents begin to program their baby to prepare then to be able to communicate with others for when they enter into the big bad world when they are on their own.

Communication is more than just words that are spoken, it is also has visual aspects which are expressed in their body language that give clues to an observer of them just how they are feeling.

To be able to communicate with others we must also be prepared to learn during the communication process that we enter into with others otherwise our communication with them will break down and we will become isolate from them.

As we learn, we can develop strategies that help us break down barriers and bring healing for us and them if needed.

Shalom

quietthinker · Apr 23, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

the infant brain is a sponge of hundred billion neurones awaiting your shaping.....even in utero. Every bit of stimuli has its effect.

liafailrock · Apr 23, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

We would still think OK. I remember back to very early childhood about 2 years of age and I can remember the room order of our apartment, things I thought about and I even told my parents why I was afraid of a certain standing lamp. They could never figure that out until I was old enough to tell them. Yet in all that, I did not have proper words but only developing them. For example I said "Binu" for spider and "Vow-voe-me" for fireman (note the syllable count is correct but a child is trying to work his speech to that of his parents). When I work on a project alone, I am not thinking of any words, but that said, I often talk with myself because I'm lonely. LOL Words are sound symbols that represent another thing. So I strongly suspect that your visual images, sounds and other stimuli create thoughts from which the words come. The words do not make the thoughts.

Lambano · Apr 23, 2022

Can we think in symbols other than language?

Our previous choir director could "visualize" music in his head. I'm not sure I can explain that because I don't know anything about music (my job was to make sure the right mics were hot and the recorder was on), but he could look at a music score and "know" what it should sound like. Or conceptualize his own music and then try to explain to the altos and tenors and basses and our flutist and harpist and drummer what they should be doing. This may make sense to those of you who are musically inclined.

My college roommate who was president of the Chess club. He could always visualize the chessboard at least three moves ahead. He rarely lost, until a visiting Grandmaster who could think five moves ahead taught him some humility. He ruined what was a love of the game for me 'cuz he could always stomp me into the ground.

Similarly, I read of some math prodigy who could "think" in terms of mathematical equations.

Does this make sense?

DuckieLady · Apr 23, 2022

Lambano said:
Can we think in symbols other than language?

Our previous choir director could "visualize" music in his head. I'm not sure I can explain that because I don't know anything about music (my job was to make sure the right mics were hot and the recorder was on), but he could look at a music score and "know" what it should sound like. Or conceptualize his own music and then try to explain to the altos and tenors and basses and our flutist and harpist and drummer what they should be doing. This may make sense to those of you who are musically inclined.

My college roommate who was president of the Chess club. He could always visualize the chessboard at least three moves ahead. He rarely lost, until a visiting Grandmaster who could think five moves ahead taught him some humility. He ruined what was a love of the game for me 'cuz he could always stomp me into the ground.

Similarly, I read of some math prodigy who could "think" in terms of mathematical equations.

Does this make sense?

Yes!

We did this in school. We eventually had to learn to mentally figure out flashcards with three digit numbers in a short amount of time. I've been out of practice too long to do it now.

But that's part of the reason I'm teaching my kids soroban (Japanese Abacus). We just have a digital version on the tablet because I haven't had the time to get the real ones and it's easier to train them before they use the real thing.

farouk · Apr 23, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

@FluffyYellowDuck Good to know by faith: 'In the beginning was the Word...' (John 1.1)....

Lambano · Apr 24, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Yes!

We did this in school. We eventually had to learn to mentally figure out flashcards with three digit numbers in a short amount of time. I've been out of practice too long to do it now.

But that's part of the reason I'm teaching my kids soroban (Japanese Abacus). We just have a digital version on the tablet because I haven't had the time to get the real ones and it's easier to train them before they use the real thing.

My goodness, look at those fingers fly!

EloyCraft · Apr 24, 2022

From my little understanding of the subject. Child psychologists describe infant perception in terms of objects. The maternal object is the mother. Object recognition and object permanence are important developments.

DuckieLady · Apr 24, 2022

EloyCraft said:
From my little understanding of the subject. Child psychologists describe infant perception in terms of objects. The maternal object is the mother. Object recognition and object permanence are important developments.

Now I've made people before and I think that's okay but I think @devin553344 might be a little more on point.

If a newborn baby cries, the child easily communicates "I am uncomfortable and hungry" and knows it is suffering from the feeling and it goes "AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" probably because God knew parents would quickly put a stop to it before they lost all hearing.

I watched an orangutans on YouTube sawing a piece of wood and cleaning with soap in the water because they learned it from humans and made it a custom among themselves. And in that sense, I could see them thinking in terms of objects.

quietthinker · Apr 24, 2022

Have you ever thought about how we would think without words?
My experience is it is both a blessing or a curse. That flip switch wants to do its own thing.....in the anatomy department!

Invisibilis · Apr 24, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

Observe (image) what they don't yet know, and compare it to (image) what they do know. Images (pictures, sounds, smells, tastes, and other sensory image perceptions) under constant association.

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