Hell is for children

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

There is no such thing as Hell in Judaism and Christianity. Hell is a Pagan belief, and it was introduced into scriptures by the Catholics. The words "grave," "Gehenna," and "pit," never, ever, translates as Hell.
[SIZE=12pt]Hades ( /ˈheɪdiːz/; from Greek ᾍδης (older form Ἀϝίδης), Hadēs, originally Ἅιδης, Haidēs or Άΐδης, Aidēs (Doric Ἀΐδας Aidas), meaning "the unseen") was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. The genitive ᾍδου, Haidou, was an elision to denote locality: "[the house/dominion] of Hades". Eventually, the nominative came to designate the abode of the dead.

In Greek mythology, Hades is the oldest male child of Cronus and Rhea. According to myth, he and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated the Titans and claimed rulership over the cosmos, ruling the underworld, air, and sea, respectively; the solid earth, long the province of Gaia, was available to all three concurrently.

Hades was also called "Plouton" (Greek: Πλούτων, gen.: Πλούτωνος, meaning "Rich One"), a name which the Romans Latinized as Pluto. The Romans would associate Hades/Pluto with their own chthonic gods, Dis Pater and Orcus. The corresponding Etruscan god was Aita. Symbols associated with him are the Helm of Darkness, the bident and the three-headed dog, Cerberus.[/SIZE]

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ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

CherubRam said:
There is no such thing as Hell in Judaism and Christianity. Hell is a Pagan belief, and it was introduced into scriptures by the Catholics. The words "grave," "Gehenna," and "pit," never, ever, translates as Hell.

None of this is true.

Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

G5020
ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
None of this is true.

Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

G5020
ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

Hades and Tartaroo are corruptions entered by the Catholics, they are Pagan beliefs. And the word Hell is not even in the original text of scriptures. It is a improper INTERPRETATION for "grave," "Gehenna," and "pit."

rockytopva · Aug 1, 2015

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. - Matthew 18:9

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. - Luke 16

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Revelation 20:10

Butch5 · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
None of this is true.

Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

G5020
ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

I think he's referring to the modern concept of hell. If that's the case he is correct. There are three different Greek words that were translated hell, Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus. This causes much confusion.

ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

CherubRam said:
Hades and Tartaroo are corruptions entered by the Catholics, they are Pagan beliefs. And the word Hell is not even in the original text of scriptures. It is a improper INTERPRETATION for "grave," "Gehenna," and "pit."

You are only offering your own opinion devoid of proof. I presented what the scriptures state, based on the various manuscripts we have and they aren't all from Catholic origins so your argument has no strength to it.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
You are only offering your own opinion devoid of proof. I presented what the scriptures state, based on the various manuscripts we have and they aren't all from Catholic origins so your argument has no strength to it.

It is more than a mistranslation, it's a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tartarus) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1. An infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a. The home of the dead, beneath the earth. b The god of the underworld. 2. Bible: The state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (sheol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] A place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead. Note: In the KJV about half of scriptures are translated as hell, the other half as grave.

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.

Topheth is believed to be a location in Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, where the Canaanites sacrificed children to the god Moloch by burning them alive.

Isaiah 30:33
Topheth has long been prepared; it has been made ready for the king. Its fire pit has been made deep and wide, with an abundance of fire and wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze.

Jeremiah 7:31-32
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. So beware, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when people will no longer call it Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter, for they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

Hades was the ancient Greek god of the underworld.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die.

The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit.

Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not? If the word Hell is biblical, then the Serpent told the truth and God lied. Get my point?

Romans 1:32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear them which can kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in [hell / Gehenna.]

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.

Job 27:8
For what hope have the godless when they are cut off, when God takes away their life?

ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

You aren't offering any evidence of your claims. The NT is written in Greek so natural certain words will be used. That doesn't prove the bible's Hades is the same one in Greek mythology. They are quite different from each other which proves your theory wrong.

CherubRam said:
It is more than a mistranslation, it's a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tartarus) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1. An infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a. The home of the dead, beneath the earth. b The god of the underworld. 2. Bible: The state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (sheol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] A place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead. Note: In the KJV about half of scriptures are translated as hell, the other half as grave.

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.

Topheth is believed to be a location in Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, where the Canaanites sacrificed children to the god Moloch by burning them alive.

Isaiah 30:33
Topheth has long been prepared; it has been made ready for the king. Its fire pit has been made deep and wide, with an abundance of fire and wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze.

Jeremiah 7:31-32
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. So beware, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when people will no longer call it Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter, for they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

Hades was the ancient Greek god of the underworld.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

rockytopva said:
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. - Matthew 18:9

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. - Luke 16

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Revelation 20:10

Regards to Hell
The Rich Man and Lazarus

Luke 16:19. Theophilus is the name or honorary title of the person to whom the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles are addressed (Luke 1:3, Acts 1:1)

It is unanimously agreed that both Luke and Acts were originally written in Koine Greek, and that "Theophilos," as it appears therein, means friend of God or (be)loved by God or loving God in the Greek language.

No one knows the true identity of Theophilus who wrote the story, and there are more than several conjectures and traditions around an identity.
In all there are about eight traditions based upon that story. Again I say: Hell has never been a doctrinal belief in Judaism.

Don't you think if Yahshua was to introduce a new doctrine that he would at least explain the story?

ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

CherubRam said:
The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death.

God does not say that about Hades. The opposite is given by God. Death only comes as a result of the lake of fire, not from Hades.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
God does not say that about Hades. The opposite is given by God. Death only comes as a result of the lake of fire, not from Hades.

I do not understand what you are saying.

ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

CherubRam said:
I do not understand what you are saying.

You said:

The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death.

Neither sentence is correct in regards to hell/hades. All who are there are alive in a non physical sense.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
You said:

Neither sentence is correct in regards to hell/hades. All who are there are alive in a non physical sense.

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:3
but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

Genesis 3:4
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.

The doctrine of the Serpent is that there is life in Hell.

ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

CherubRam said:
Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:3
but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

Genesis 3:4
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.

The doctrine of the Serpent is that there is life in Hell.

No, "hell" isn't the subject in any of those verses. Plus, three different places are called "hell" so you have to be more specific when using that word.

The bible states there is life in all three types of "hell" anyways.

CherubRam · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
No, "hell" isn't the subject in any of those verses. Plus, three different places are called "hell" so you have to be more specific when using that word.

The bible states there is life in all three types of "hell" anyways.

I presume that I am speaking to a young person. You need to get a clue before you say anymore.

ewq1938 · Aug 1, 2015

CherubRam said:
I presume that I am speaking to a young person. You need to get a clue before you say anymore.

You are as wrong as you are about those scriptures which comes as no surprise to me. You cannot respond properly to my post because I have proven your theories and assumptions to be incorrect.

No one with a decent grasp of scripture would claim "there is no life in hell".

ATP · Aug 1, 2015

ewq1938 said:
You are as wrong as you are about those scriptures which comes as no surprise to me. You cannot respond properly to my post because I have proven your theories and assumptions to be incorrect.

No one with a decent grasp of scripture would claim "there is no life in hell".

Hell is an English translation and should never be used in scripture, at all.

Josho · Aug 1, 2015

I saw something on facebook about the pope saying that Hell is not real and that Adam and Eve was a fairytale, I don't know whether if he really said that though. I don't choose to believe it tho, the Bible describes Hell as a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth many times, it describes it as a place where we wouldn't want to end up, and if Adam and Eve were a fairy tale we wouldn't be on Earth today.

ATP · Aug 1, 2015

Josho said:
I saw something on facebook about the pope saying that Hell is not real and that Adam and Eve was a fairytale, I don't know whether if he really said that though. I don't choose to believe it tho, the Bible describes Hell as a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth many times, it describes it as a place where we wouldn't want to end up, and if Adam and Eve were a fairy tale we wouldn't be on Earth today.

And the lake of fire is the fate of the pope. He's just another pawn, another piece of the puzzle in God's end times events.

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