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First of lemme congratulate you in ur choice in being an atheist ,cuz you have choosen to use ur mind instead of taking at face value what u were told to be true ,and also u believe in the begining part of the muslim creed .There is no godNow i can argue with the theory of evolution with you but that would take up too much time and space .I only put this regarding that.The THEORY of evolution nowhere does it say FACT of evolution .(nuff said,right now we can debate this but another time another place) now lemme try to prove the existance of god in a logical,scietific and mathematical way In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%. The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine thus proving god made his existance clear thru this book And try as you may u will not find any contradictions in it ,I know u dont believe that just by quoting something doesnt make it right.but here just a verse for your contemplationFor if it was a written by man you would have found many contradictions.A challenge which stands to this day

atheist.85,You believe in science. What about about it?Where did the first man come from? How was the whole universe created, planets,sun,moon and stars, clouds, sea,earth, animals,plants, sky, rain, thunder, lightning.... ???I don't believe in religion or in gods.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Atheist.85,I would like to ask you a question, may I ?Ok, this is the question, do you know when people are aware/know that when they climp up/go up to the sky their chest will felt tight and restricted ?Wallaahu a'lam.

(Atheist.85;33109)
I do not claim to know any of these answers. No one knows right now. The questions of where man came from, what our purpose is, have been raised by man since we first came to be, by whatever means that was. But to simply say that "I can't explain this, so it must be the work of a higher power", I think, is an overly simplistic cop-out without any reasoning or proof behind it. The only reasonable theory for me would have to be the theory of evolution. It fits with a scientific view of my surroundings, has actual evidence, is logically sound (to me at least), and obeys the known laws of physics, etc. It also, unlike religions, is still a theory and has room to be disproved. No fervent follower of whichever religious dogma will say, "yeah there's a chance we're wrong". I would love to see a more logical reckoning of our beginnings presented to the world other than evolution, but unfortunately to my and many others satisfaction there are none currently. I am sure this will change with the advances in technology and science thru the ages, as we gain an even greater understanding of our world and universe and how they operate. Also, you say you do not believe in religion or gods, so you are an atheist too correct?
Thunder1: What is that higher power? And where did the first man came from? Yes, I don't believe in religion or gods; I believe in Jesus Christ the only son ,who saved me from eternal hell, I believe in the one and only TRUE living GOD( not gods) , My Heavenly Father , who created the whole universe. I have a personal relationship with my God. For non-believers see just religions, but I don't believe in those. I've had my biological dad, who I had a relationship with. And now I have my heavenly Father who I have personal relationship with. People can called it religion if they want to ,but for me it's not a religion. It's so much more.

See bro 85 as you say your self how weird it must be in eairlier time to witness natural occurances and only recently we know thing like ur own example of earth flatness. That is exactly what i say These things were already mentioned in th book revealed to a illterate desert arab 1400 yrs back now how do you explain that .A few brief examples .Stating that the earth is not flat and round not only round but geospherical.The earth mon and sun revolve in seperate orbits ,The moons light is not its own light but merely a refection.The big bangHuman embryolgyThe skin having pain receptors FingerprintsThe complete water cycle in orderThe mountains stabalising the earths crustairborne diease and germsthe atomspliting of the atomdeep sea divingThe thining of the atmosphere in higher altitudesAnd regarding ur carbon based argument the quran is not talking about the basic earth elements and not at the molecular level atleast in that verseAnd brother regarding ur theory of evolution let me give a simple analagy to understand my point of view lets take a simple object like a cellphone break it down into its major components and mostly are manufactured from oil(plastic etc etc ) and silica(refined sand)now tell me in the deserts of arabia which has plenty of both ie sand and oil can u expect one day walking and expect to find a device somewhat similar to a phone or even 1/10th of it lying in the desert .So a human or any living creature for that matter a million times more complex than the most complicated device formed on their own .The possiblities for you to find a phone formed on its own in the desert are the possiblities of evolution. Hope this has been useful

Let me throw in a thought about the Universe. The universe can be explained mathematically. It takes an intelligent being to comprehend mathematics. The thought that the universe came into being by itself (unthinking) boggles my mind as to why something that cannot think is comprehensible. The implication is that there is a designer behind it all. Otherwise, how can impersonal matter form and evolve to embrace concepts?

I'm going to start helping at church's Sunday school, I never went there myself, never got teaching about Christianity when I was a child.

Atheist.85: That's just semantics. God or gods, it implies the same thing.Thunder1:There is only one true living God, but you are entitled to your opinion.Atheist.85:But I have always wondered why everyone claims their god is the one and only true god. That implies that every other religion since time has been wrong, but not yours? Why exactly is yours so special? Isn't it pretty simple-minded to say that in the tens of thousands of years of man beliefs before christianity were wrong, and all others after it were wrong, but that jesus fellow sure got it right? And most every religion has a book, text, ritual or whatever that says that its the only true one and if all the other religious text or dogma is assuredly wrong, what exactly makes the bible any different from them, and it can't be "because it said so", I could just as easily use that argument to say that I know for a fact people can ride brooms and use magic wands, and talk to little fairies because I read it in a Harry Potter book. And it says so, so it must be the truth.Thunder1:Atheist.85, I like your honesty. You may believe in that Harry Potter book, if you like. I'm not going to answer what you like to hear, but I believe in my only living God,because of Faith. And even that Faith that I have is gift from God.

Bro 85 i'll try to post some links or compile a post with all the references mentioned eairlier but its gonna take a little time so be patient feel free to pm me . And regarding the study u mentioned ,that's what they are studies .I'll show you a study which say the same opposite saying the men and apes have nothing in common genetically and the closet ape to man the oragutan is also highly dissimilar .And also another one saying all humans can be traced down to one orginal pair genetically furthering the Adam and eve theory .So i don't use studies much until they become proven fact.Studies has a bad habit of making U turns very quickly

Since you dont know much about islam and the quran check out www.islamtomorrow.com it is run by yusuf estes a protestant preacher from a family of preachers in texas who discovered islam at the age of 47 and there is also a small icon below on the main page free quran click it and they will send you a english translation for freehttp://www.islam-guide.com/f-preface.htmthis link also might be useful as to the reference as well as explination to the facts i mentioned earlier

This is a cut n paste job but some refrences are givenScience discovered Big Bang Theory. The whole universe was one ‘Primary Nebula’ and which further split to form things such as our solar system.Allah says in Holy Qur'an Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 30 . ‘Do not the unbelievers see. the heavens and the earth were joined together, and We clove them asunder?science discovered that the universe was in the state of ‘gas’.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Fussilat, Ch. No. 41, verse 11, ‘Moreover, in His design He comprehended the sky, and it had been smoke. And He said to it and the earth, come ye together willingly or unwillingly, and they said we come together in willing obedience’.Science discovered that the shape of the earth is Geo-Spherical.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Naziat, Ch. No. 79, Verse No. 30. ‘And thereafter, We have made the earth egg-shaped’.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Al Zumar, Ch. No. 39, Verse No. 5, ‘It is Allah who has created the heavens and the earth in true proportion and he overlaps and coils the night unto the day and overlaps or coils the day unto the night’.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Luqman, Ch. No. 31, Verse 29 ‘It is Allah that merges the night unto the day and merges the day unto the night’.Science discovered that the moon has reflected light of sun.Allah says in Holy Qur'an, Surah Yunus, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 5 ‘It is Allah who has created the Sun as a shining glory and the Moon having a reflection of light’.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 61 ‘Blessed is He who has created the constellations in the sky, and placed therein a lamp, and Moon having borrowed light’.Science discovered that every planet, in solar system, is revolving around the sun and also rotating about its own axis.Allah says in Holy Qur'an, Surah Al-Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 33. ‘It is Allah who has created the night and the day, the Sun and the Moon, each one travelling in a orbit, with its own motion’.Allah says in The Holy Qur'an, Surah Yasin, Ch. No. 36, Verse No. 40 ‘It is not permitted for the Sun to catch up with the Moon, nor the night to outstrip the day. Each one travelling in an orbit with its own motion’.Science discovered that the Sun is moving at a speed of 12 miles per second, and it is going to a point called Solar Apex.Allah says in Holy Qur'an, Surah Yasin, Ch. No. 36, Verse No. 38 ‘That the Sun is running its course to a place determined, for a period determined’.Allah says in Holy Qur’anin Surah Rad, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 2;in Surah Fatir, Ch. No. 35, Verse No. 13;in Surah Luqman, Ch. No. 31, Verse No. 29;in Surah Al-Zumar, Ch. No. 39, Verse No. 5.‘The Sun and the Moon runs its course for a period determined’.The Science discovered that the universe is expanding.Allah says in Holy Qur'an in Surah Dhariat, Ch. No. 51, Verse No. 47 ‘It is We who have constructed with power and skill, the firmaments - and It is We who make the vastness, and the expanding universe’.The science discovered atom can be divided.Allah says in Holy Qur'an, Surah Sabah, Ch. No. 34, Verse No. 3. ‘When the unbelievers say that the hour will never come - tell them… it will surely come with the permission of the Lord who has the knowledge of the unseen, who has in His record, the minutest detail of an atom in the heaven and in the earth - and in His record is perspicuous things, smaller and greater than the ‘atom’.The science discovered Water Cycle.Allah says Holy Quran, Surah Al-Zumur, Ch. No. 39, Verse No 21 ‘Sees't thou not that it is Allah who sends down rain from the sky, and seeps it in the sources in the ground - in the springs in the earth, and causes sown seed of various colours to grow’.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Muminun, Ch. No. 23, Verse No 18, ‘It is Allah who sends down rain in due measure, we are able to store it, and We are also able to easily drain it’.Allah says in Qur’an, Surah Al-Hijr, Ch. No. 15, Verse No 22, ‘We send fecundating winds, winds impregnating, and cause rain to descend from the sky, and give you water in due measure’.Allah says in Qur’an, Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 43,in Surah Naba, Ch. No. 78, Verse No 12 to 14,Surah Rum, Ch. No. 30, Verse No 48.‘We send mountain masses of clouds’.Science say mountains act as ‘pegs’ and ‘stakes’ for earth and prevent it from shaking.Allah says in Quran, Surah Naba, Ch. No. 78, Verse No. 6 and 7. ‘We have made the earth as an expanse, and the mountains as stakes’.Allah says in Qur'an says, Surah Jashiya, Ch. No. 88, Verse No. 19,In Surah Naziat, Ch. No. 79, Verse No 32.'We have made the mountain standing firm'.Science discovered ‘the function of the mountain is to stabilize the Earth's Crust’.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No 31,in Surah Luqman, Ch. No. 31, Verse No 10,in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, Verse No 15,‘We have set on the earth mountains standing firm lest it would shake.Science (Oceanology) discovered the fact that there is barrier between the sweet and bitter water and which does not allow them to mix.Allah says in Qur’an, Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No 53, ‘It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water one sweet and palpable and the other salt and bitter, and between them there is a ‘Barzakh’, a barrier, which is forbidden to be trespassed’.Allah says in Holy Qur'an, in Surah Rahman, Ch. No. 55, Verse No. 19 and 20, ‘It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water which meet and between them there is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed’.Science discovered. Cytoplasm is the basic substance of the living cell contains 80% water.Allah says in Holy Qur'an, Surah Al Anbiya, Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 30…. (Arabic)… ‘We have created every living thing from water - Will you not then believe?’in Holy Quran, Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24,‘We have created every living animal from water’.in Holy Qur'an says, Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No 54 ‘We have created the man from water’.Science (Botany) discovered the two sexes of plants.Qur'an says in Surah Ta Ha, Ch. No. 20, Verse No 53 ‘It is Allah who sends down water from the sky and causes diverse pairs of plants to grow, each separate from the other’.in Surah Rad, Ch. No. 13, Verse No 3 ‘We have created every kind of fruit, in pairs two and two’.Science has discovered that even the animals and birds live in communities like human beings and migrate.Allah says in Holy Qur'an says in Surah Anam, Ch. No. 6, Verse No 38, ‘We have created every living animal that lives on the earth and every bird that flies on the wings in the air, to live in communities like you’.Science discovered there is very striking resemblance with migratory programming in the nervous system of birds.Allah says in Qur'an says in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 68 and 69… ‘It is the Lord who has taught the bees to build cells, in hills, in trees and human habitations and to eat of what the earth produces, and to find the spacious path of the Lord, with great skill’.In Surah Mulk, Ch. No. 67, Verse No 19… ‘Do you not observe the birds above you? They spread their wings and they fold it. None can hold them up except with the power of Allah (SWT). And He watches over all things’.In Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16. Verse No 79 ‘Do you not look at the bird subjected in the midst in the air?’Science discovered that there is closest resemblance of between the life of human beings and ANTS.Allah says in Qur'an says in Surah Naml, Ch. No. 27, Verse No 17 and 18, ‘before Solomon marched, the hosts of jinns, men and birds, and when they reached a lowly valley of ants, one of the ants said ‘get ye into your habitation, lest Solomon and his horses unknowingly will trample you beneath the feet’. * 5 months agoSource(s):Science discovered the honey is rich in vitamin K, and Fructose and has mild antiseptic properties.Allah says in Holy Qur'an says in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 68 and 69, ‘From the belly of the bee you get a drink of varying colours, in which there is healing for mankind’.Science discovered at Embryo stage, the genital organs develop between the backbone, the spinal column and the 11th and 12th rib.Allah syas in Holy Qur'an in Surah Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 5 to 7 ‘Let now man think from what he is created - he is created from a drop, emitted from a space between the backbone and the ribs’.Science discovered the beginning of creation of human being starts from sperm.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Muminun, Ch. No. 23, Verse No. 13,and Surah Al Hajj, Ch. No. 22, Verse No. 5 ‘We have created the human beings from a minute quantity of liquid(‘Nutfah’)Surah Sajdah, Ch. No. 32, Verse No. 8, ‘We have created the human beings from a quintessence of liquid’.Allah says in Qur'an in Surah Insaan, Ch. No. 76, Verse No. 2 ‘We have created the human being from a minute quantity of mingled fluids’ (zygote).Allah says in Qur’an in Surah Najm, Ch. No. 53, Verse No. 45 and 46, ‘We have created the human beings and made them into male and female through minute quantity of liquid which is ejaculated’.Science discovered the male is responsible for the sex of child.Allah says in Surah Qiyamah, Ch. No. 75, Verse No. 37, and 39, ‘We have created the human beings from a minute quantity of sperm and then made it into an ‘Alaqa’ - a leech-like substance - then gave it due proportion, then made it into sex male - and female’.Science (Embryology) discovered that the Embryo is protected posteriorily by the back bone and the posterior muscles of the mother - anteriorily by, the anterior abdominal wall, by the uterine wall as well as the Amnochodianic membrane.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Muminun, Ch. No. 23, Verse No 12 to 14, ‘We have created the human beings from a quintessence of clay, then made it into a drop, placed it into ‘Qarare Makeen’ place of security, then made it into an ‘Alaqa’, something which clings, a leech like substance, made that ‘Alaqa’ into ‘Mudga’, a chewed like lump, made that ‘Mudga’, into ‘Izama’ bones, then clothed the ‘Izama’, bones with ‘Lahem’ that is flesh and then made it into a creature – Blessed is He, the best to create’.(the miracle of child birth came twicein Surah Muminun, Ch. No. 23, Verse No. 12 to 14;Surah Hajj, Ch. No. 22, Verse No 5;Surah Ghafir, Ch. No. 40, Verse 67;Surah Qiyamah, Ch. No. 75, Verse 38;Surah Iqra, Ch. No. 96, Verse No 2)Science discovered Relaxin is being secreted by the ovaries and the placenta which loosens the ligament of the pelvic joints and softens the cervix. The uterine contraction that take place, it pushes the baby downwards in the birth canal. The bag of water which ruptures, it provides a slippery surface for the baby to come out, to slide and the various movements of the baby, while birth facilitates the movement through the irregular pelvic joints.Allah says in Holy Qur’an, Surah Abasa, Ch. No. 80, Verse 19 and 20 ‘We have created the human beings from minute quantity and We have made the passage of birth easy’.Science discovered after fifth month of pregnancy the ears are formed and in the seventh month the eye split open.Allah says in Holy qur’an, Surah Sajda, Ch. No. 32, Verse No 9 ‘We have given the human beings the faculty of hearing and sight’. (first hearing then sight)

Check out the numbers in scripture by an author named E.W. Bullinger. There is hard evidence here that coincides wtih science and Chemistry. You can look the facts up anywhwere on the web. The evidences definately point to a creator . Mabye that would be a good start for you.(a paragraph from chapter 1)In the case of the BEE, it is the number three which pervades its phenomena— In three days the egg of the queen is hatched. l It is fed for nine days (3x3). l It reaches maturity in 15 days (5x3). l The worker grub reaches maturity in 21 days (7x3). l And is at work three days after leaving its cell. l The drone matures in 24 days (8x3). l The bee is composed of three sections,— head and two stomachs. l The two eyes are made up of about 3,000 small eyes, each (like the cells of the comb) having six sides (2x3). l Underneath the body are six (2x3) wax scales with which the comb is made. l It has six (2x3) legs. Each leg is composed of three sections. l The foot is formed of three triangular sections. l The antennae consist of nine (3x3) sections. l The sting has nine (3x3) barbs on each side. Is this design? or is it chance? Why should it be the number three instead of any other number? No one can tell. We can only observe the wondrous working of supernatural laws, and admire the perfection of design.

Hello, Atheist.85. I find it very interesting to read what everyone is saying to try to prove to you that Christ is the way and that the Bible will stand as valid. I know what you mean with proving the Bible is true by using the Bible as your source. But, the fact of the matter is, the Bible is the only book that is called "living". Its ability to speak to the believer and nonbeliever alike hasn't changed after thousands of years. That's because it is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16). I know, I'm quoting the Bible. The reason the flood thing didn't destroy it was because Moses is said to have written the first 5 books of the Bible, and he came along after the flood (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses). I know some of the Biblical accounts are pretty fascinating and hard to believe, but God is pretty fascinating. What happened to your wonder and love for life? What happened to the belief in something greater than yourself? How could so many people have preserved the "story" of the Christ after all this time and it not be real? Most everyone else's "god" has died and no one cares. My God is alive and there are many who serve Him today. I had to go through the lectures in college about my professors not believing in God,etc. because there was no proof. But, they didn't know my life experiences. I did have proof. There are things the Lord has brought me through; things the Lord has done for me that no one has even known. My God is a great God. Yes, there are many out there that shame and defame Him. But, make no mistake, He is worthy of our praise and adoration. For what He sacrificed in His life and death- all of the humbling experiences He went through,yet never thinking of Himself, but only of us, He deserves to be honored. He should be the Way. He earned it. Who else has died for you or me? The thing is, you have placed your faith in evolution. You will believe in something. People need a rock to cling to. You have traded your Christian upbringing for Science. How will that affect you when you are on your death bed? Will you be comfortable with that choice? Eternity is too long to be wrong. Kriss is right. You have come to this site for a reason. No one can prove anything to you. It's in the reading of the Word that conviction comes and the Spirit draws you to Himself. But, don't wait too long. The Spirit only draws you so many times. You don't want to miss your day of visitation like that of the people in Christ's day (see Luke 19:40-44). I know if you will begin reading about the life of Christ, He will prick your heart. You can't help but be moved by Him. That is my challenge to you. I will be praying for you to find the truth. Check out lastdaysministries.com and you can find out about a man's search for the truth. He was very intelligent , but raised Christian Science. He went through a whole gammet of things trying to find out what was truth and landed right to Jesus. You're going to find out that He is the Way. Don't be too late Love in Christ-HBG