The Holy Spirit

bbyrd009 · Dec 11, 2017

amadeus said:
What does being "smart" have to do with pleasing God.

to a logical thinker, smarts are paramount i guess. i tend to gravitate toward the simple-minded for friends, and being considered smart, i have always gotten or given weird vibes for this. i can't say i ever got any "heat" per se, as no one has ever approached me directly about the matter, except one or two refs along the lines of etw's accusations to BG there, back in middle school. But after that, ppl generally would be quizzing my friend of the moment, i guess, apparently sometimes quite at length lol. i'm 55 and i am just now realizing how much grief i have surely caused to many of my friends, ha

Miss Hepburn · Dec 11, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
an honest man, who can find him?

Oh, come on..they are every where..ok, not in politics.

bbyrd009 · Dec 11, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
Oh, come on..they are every where..ok, not in politics.

lol, i completely agree, but Amadeus presented a certain perspective, "If we are all honest, we all already understand why final judgment of any man belongs to God alone." which we can observe is not universally recognized, right, so i only meant to speak to that perspective.

of course we can turn dishonest ppl honest, simply by being honest with them, and withdrawing when they slip up, right. And making a point not to mention it to mutual peers, etc. i just very recently learned to not even mention it to them, and just take a quiet step back. They will come back to you, every time, so far. While i haven't gotten a literal apology yet, the penitent behavior is enough; if i can just swallow and accept the olive branch being offered anyway, blew that a couple times first.

This messes with ppls minds, huh? Which i wouldn't have bothered posting prolly, except you evidence knowing more about this than me here

bbyrd009 · Dec 11, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
Oh, come on..they are every where..ok, not in politics.

btw imo Scripture is playing the same little game here, @ "who can find an honest man," although i did not see that until you posted

Miss Hepburn · Dec 11, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
This messes with ppls minds, huh? Which i wouldn't have bothered posting prolly, except you evidence knowing more about this than me here

You were very clear in that post btw ;]

You might like this.. a therapist friend told me decades ago, " You know u really don't have to point out to people that they really screwed up badly...they really know it."
I have found this true in myself.
Now, little things can be commented on or corrected, suggestions given..but, I'm talking about the big messes like when you hurt someone or put your foot in your mouth at a party...
We already know and have to forgive ourselves and say, " Won't do THAT again!"

bbyrd009 · Dec 11, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
You were very clear in that post btw ;]

uh-oh

amadeus · Dec 12, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
an honest man, who can find him?

Has anyone ever opened his heart to God? Would that not be an act of honesty? One time of opening our heart may not indicate a pattern of honesty, but it could be the first step, no?

"The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way." Psalm 37:23

Miss Hepburn · Dec 13, 2017

amadeus said:
Has anyone ever opened his heart to God?

I don't exp that it is 'me' at all
that has opened my heart to God...HE opened it...I wouldn't know how to open it.

Try it...make yourself right now feel, open, let the flood gates of your heart
gush in love with God.

There are those that don't even know how to place their focus on Him...
Where is He? How do you do that? Imagine Him? Talk to Him...'out there' or inside 'somewhere'?
This is why it is so imp to sit...in a stillness almost beyond belief...and ask Him when you start...
"Lord, please reveal yourself to me."
God is an intimate God...He is breathing you right now and making your fingernails grow.
Practice His Divine Presence every day of your life...I say. ☺

amadeus · Dec 13, 2017

Miss Hepburn said:
I don't exp that it is 'me' at all
that has opened my heart to God...HE opened it...I wouldn't know how to open it.

But... even if we cannot open it ourselves alone, we alone have to give permission to God or ask for His help. That is what people call "free will". In free will there are only two choices, our own way or God's Way. This is the dominion that God gave us in the beginning, long before Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and that dominion has never been removed. Our problem is that when we take the reins ourselves their things which we alone cannot resist.

Try it...make yourself right now feel, open, let the flood gates of your heart
gush in love with God.

There are those that don't even know how to place their focus on Him...
Where is He? How do you do that? Imagine Him? Talk to Him...'out there' or inside 'somewhere'?
This is why it is so imp to sit...in a stillness almost beyond belief...and ask Him when you start...
"Lord, please reveal yourself to me."
God is an intimate God...He is breathing you right now and making your fingernails grow.
Practice His Divine Presence every day of your life...I say. ☺

Amen!

We are not able, but our God is able and also very willing. All we have to do is choose Him and keep on choosing Him while He within us is working to overcome all of the resistance.

101G · Dec 15, 2017

getting back to the OP, "can someone be full of the Holy Spirit and yet not a Christian".

Good question, because filling and being FULL of the Spirit is a difference.
#1. it's not the person decision to be "Full", it's God's decision to put you into his body.

#2. filling with the Spirit have nothing to do with salvation, (BEING FULL) so yes, a non Christian can be filled with the Spirit. for we have scripture of that. Exodus 31:1 "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah: And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship". and there are many more OT scripture like this. but in John 7:38 & 39 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

#3. in the case with Capt Cornelius. he was filled, or full of the Spirit. and was not "CALLED" a Christian yet, and he was filled before he was water baptized. but was he "FULL" of the spirit like our brother Stephen? I say yes, because of this verse Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God".

peace in Christ Yeshua.

bbyrd009 · Dec 17, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
note how the dialectic nature of Scripture causes passages like "contend," "strive," and "run the race" to be taken literally, when the exact opposite characterization is surely closer to truth? or is it just me?

Perrero made a good thread on this, How fast are you going?, but as i would likely be perceived to be adversarial with this reply, and it pertains to hearing tha spirit, i'd prefer to do it here.
1 Corinthians 9 Parallel Chapters
22To the weak I became weak, in order to win the weak. I have become all things to all people, so that I may by every possible means save some.
23Now I do all this because of the gospel, so I may become a partner in its benefits.
24Don't you know that the runners in a stadium all race, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way to win the prize.
25Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
iow "don't run like the runners in a typical race do," is what i am reading. Anyone?

bbyrd009 · May 1, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
and so you have been given an impression of different places, right, even though you might easily witness someone in hell right next to someone in heaven right now. So then All go to the same place is ignored or reasoned away, Samuel's advice to Saul through the Witch of Endor is not considered, and Job's Dilemma in pp4-6 of the "Does God Need Jesus" thread is not reflected upon, which i hope he is now at the point of recommending, bc he didn't really do anything wr...no one could easily forgive.

Iow this "give an account for your sins" thing is portrayed as a like a courtroom, or throne room thing that happens at some point in your future, right? It happens tomorrow, isn't that a fair characterization? And i could even read it right along with you, but with a different perspective, and we might see that the "tomorrow" perspective is strictly an assumption, that we accept bc pretty much everyone believes it, even though we judge ppl for their sins in real-time, don't we?

Why is Scripture so disconnected from life? Because i tell you that someone who has sinned and been judged for it, and forgiven, cannot stand in the light without confessing their sin regardless, as Adam, Eve, (and Job) can witness.

"En-dor is a village in the territory of either Issachar or Asher but belonging to Manasseh (Joshua 17:11, spelled עין־דר). It's close to its semi-namesake Dor, but also to the river Kishon (Psalm 83:10, spelled עין־דאר). En-dor is most famously remembered for being the home of the witch of En-dor, who was consulted by king Saul and who managed to bring the late prophet Samuel "up from the earth" (1 Samuel 28:7-13, spelled עין דור)..."
The amazing name En-dor: meaning and etymology

13 But the king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see? ”

“I see a spirit form n coming up out of the earth ,” the woman answered.

quietthinker · May 6, 2018

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twinc said:
can someone be full of the Holy Spirit and yet not a Christian - twinc

A light on a hill can not be hid.

quietthinker · May 6, 2018

THE SPIRIT

It can’t be locked, it can’t be tamed
or pushed into a mould
the spirit, like the wind is wild
it will not be cajoled

He’ll testify to me one says
and show you things to come
and so it is that those imbued
will glorify the Son

The harvest’s ripe so lift your heads
the people begging feeding
life giving bread to satisfy
their lost and desperate needing

The focus on my altered life
is mostly self-absorption
the tune I know so well is sung
I’m overcome with boredom

Now there’s the resurrected one
to him there is no equal
God come to earth in mortal form
we’re waiting for the sequel

We’re going some direction
revealed by how we fare
in whom we introduce to folk
somebody’s stamp we bear.

twinc · May 6, 2018

quietthinker said:
THE SPIRIT

It can’t be locked, it can’t be tamed
or pushed into a mould
the spirit, like the wind is wild
it will not be cajoled

He’ll testify to me one says
and show you things to come
and so it is that those imbued
will glorify the Son

The harvest’s ripe so lift your heads
the people begging feeding
life giving bread to satisfy
their lost and desperate needing

The focus on my altered life
is mostly self-absorption
the tune I know so well is sung
I’m overcome with boredom

Now there’s the resurrected one
to him there is no equal
God come to earth in mortal form
we’re waiting for the sequel

We’re going some direction
revealed by how we fare
in whom we introduce to folk
somebody’s stamp we bear.

so who's stamp do most Christians, on the broad road, bare/bear - ,its not the Holy Spirit is it - twinc

Philip James · May 6, 2018

twinc said:
can someone be full of the Holy Spirit and yet not a Christian - twinc

Hi twinc,
Funny, our pastor was just talking about that in his homily today while commenting about how astonished the brethren were when the Spirit was poured out on Cornelius' household.

He certainly seems to think so.. But he also pointed out that that same Spirit calls them to unity with the Church..

twinc · May 6, 2018

be very careful with w
hat you may have heard or been told for there seems to be a lot of false interpretations going the rounds especially applying scriptures to us that were not addressed to us or really applicable to us - tell us more - btw in Jn 14:17 we are the world and not the you - twinc

quietthinker · May 6, 2018

twinc said:
so who's stamp do most Christians, on the broad road, bare/bear - ,its not the Holy Spirit is it - twinc

'What comes out of the mouth is the overflowing of the heart' ... listening carefully will identify the spirit that speaks irrespective of the tag/identity people choose to put forward.

Helen · May 6, 2018

quietthinker said:
'What comes out of the mouth is the overflowing of the heart' ... listening carefully will identify the spirit that speaks irrespective of the tag/identity people choose to put forward.

Amen...I like that a lot!

Very wise.

Philip James · May 6, 2018

twinc said:
be very careful with wehat you may have heard or been told for there seems to be a lot of false interpretations going the rounds especially applying scriptures to us that were not addressed to us or really applicable to us - tell us more - twinc

Sure,
He was pointing out the God will pour out His Spirit on whomever He chooses, and that , just as Peter did, we need to welcome these people into the Church. (Who can refuse these the water?)
He used an example from his homeland India, where Ghandi was drawn to Christ and the Church, but was refused entrance...
His point was that we need to recognize the Spirit moving in/on people and not to turn them away..

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!

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