Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

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justbyfaith

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See Isaiah 45:5 and Isaiah 45:21.

There is no God besides the LORD.

Think about what that means.

God did not create an eternal mirror, and tell the person on the other side to go down and die for the sins of the world. I believe He did that Himself. God the Father is no coward.

Jesus was begotten in the incarnation, when He ascended He ascended to be outside of time (Ephesians 4:10, Isaiah 57:15).
 

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You don't even know what the doctrine says but you are studying it in the bible.....
As I said to you, I am aware of what is written in the creeds. I do not hold the creeds to be the inspired inerrant word of the Lord, however; so where the creeds are not in alignment with the scriptures, I will go with the scriptures, thank you very much.
 

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so I can take this as you cannot reproof what I posted?.

If I Ihave no understanding put what you believe on the table... (smile).
As you said all you have is the bible, Christ is the truth, if you want the truth you ask Him,

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 

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Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day, as far as I can tell...

What scripture tells you that they were formed on the 3rd?

And also, the fact that blood is not mentioned in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 does not necessarily mean that they were created without blood.

You would think that it is a given that since Adam and Eve were a prototype for the rest of humanity, they were created the same as what would come forth from them.
first thanks for the reply,

second, read Genesis 1:9-13 which is Day #3 creation account. then read Genesis 2:4-7.

the key word is "Before" there in the verse. before the grass grew, before the plants was in the earth, and before herbs grew God formed man.

second evidence of man being formed on day #3 is the Fact Man was here before the animals. supportive scripture,
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

hence the reason why the animals was made, because Adam the man was alone. listen out of the ground God formed every beast of the fiels, and every fowl. and then BROUGHT THEM TO ADAM. so the man Adam was here before the animals. and the animals was formed on Day #5. supportive scripture,
Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

this was the 5th DAY. now, land animals.
Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

then he made man MALE and Female after this. but the man was here before God "Formed" out of the Ground, and before they flew in the air, and swam in the waters. here's that scripture again.
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

now STOP and think. if God formed the animals out of the ground and brought them to Adam that means Adam had to be here before the animals. for God to bring them to him.

Adam was "ALONE" and God want to give him a help meet, hence the reason why the animals was formed in the first place, so that Adam would not be alone.

there is so much informatation in the Genesis account alone, to correct false doctrine brought up by men.

I ask you read those verses carefully again.

chapter 2 is a detail account of what happen in chapter 1.

conclusion: the man/Adam was formed on Day #3, and was made into "ANOTHER" of himself called a woman. it was on day 6 after the animals came forth the woman, hence the "SEXES".

Be blessed.
 
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As I said to you, I am aware of what is written in the creeds. I do not hold the creeds to be the inspired inerrant word of the Lord, however; so where the creeds are not in alignment with the scriptures, I will go with the scriptures, thank you very much.
Then quote any of the trinitarian creeds and prove where they are wrong.
 

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As you said all you have is the bible, Christ is the truth, if you want the truth you ask Him,

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
First thanks for the reply,

second, Christ Jesus is the Bible, his word. you still didn't repoof anything I said in any of the things I posted.

Now using your scripture, 2Ti 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away".
ok, post where I deny the powers to be? I'll be looking for your answer.
 

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first thanks for the reply,

second, read Genesis 1:9-13 which is Day #3 creation account. then read Genesis 2:4-7.

the key word is "Before" there in the verse. before the grass grew, before the plants was in the earth, and before herbs grew God formed man.

second evidence of man being formed on day #3 is the Fact Man was here before the animals. supportive scripture,
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

hence the reason why the animals was made, because Adam the man was alone. listen out of the ground God formed every beast of the fiels, and every fowl. and then BROUGHT THEM TO ADAM. so the man Adam was here before the animals. and the animals was formed on Day #5. supportive scripture,
Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

this was the 5th DAY. now, land animals.
Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

then he made man MALE and Female after this. but the man was here before God "Formed" out of the Ground, and before they flew in the air, and swam in the waters. here's that scripture again.
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

now STOP and think. if God formed the animals out of the ground and brought them to Adam that means Adam had to be here before the animals. for God to bring them to him.

Adam was "ALONE" and God want to give him a help meet, hence the reason why the animals was formed in the first place, so that Adam would not be alone.

there is so much informatation in the Genesis account alone, to correct false doctrine brought up by men.

I ask you read those verses carefully again.

chapter 2 is a detail account of what happen in chapter 1.

conclusion: the man/Adam was formed on Day #3, and was made into "ANOTHER" of himself called a woman. it was on day 6 after the animals came forth the woman, hence the "SEXES".

Be blessed.
Thank you, that makes sense.

Do you have an answer for my other statement?

That

You would think that it is a given that since Adam and Eve were a prototype for the rest of humanity, they were created the same as what would come forth from them.

and therefore they were created with blood in them (because based on even the scriptures that you brought up, if they didn't have blood in them, then they weren't alive; since the life is in the blood).
 
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See Isaiah 45:5 and Isaiah 45:21.

There is no God besides the LORD.

Think about what that means.

God did not create an eternal mirror, and tell the person on the other side to go down and die for the sins of the world. I believe He did that Himself. God the Father is no coward.

Jesus was begotten in the incarnation, when He ascended He ascended to be outside of time (Ephesians 4:10, Isaiah 57:15).
The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. And the Father is God. And there is only one God. And these three exist eternally as distinct persons in the Godhead.
 

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The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. And the Father is God. And there is only one God. And these three exist eternally as distinct persons in the Godhead.
I agree. Do you really believe that there is only one God, or are you just saying that because it is a dogma in your brain?
 

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First thanks for the reply,

second, Christ Jesus is the Bible, his word. you still didn't repoof anything I said in any of the things I posted.

Now using your scripture, 2Ti 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away".
ok, post where I deny the powers to be? I'll be looking for your answer.
No the bible is your Golden Calf that you have placed above God and before Him, so you wont ask because you demand God bow down to your idol. As for your proof there is plenty here that says you are wrong.
 

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justbyfaith said: ↑
You would think that it is a given that since Adam and Eve were a prototype for the rest of humanity, they were created the same as what would come forth from them.
and therefore they were created with blood in them (because based on even the scriptures that you brought up, if they didn't have blood in them, then they weren't alive; since the life is in the blood).
thanks for the reply.
when the first Adam/man was Formed, he had and there was at that time no blood. according to the bible on Eve being brought forth was blood given unto "THEM" in multiplying and filling the earth with offspring.

Adam formed on Day #3, was without blood. supportive scripture,
Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

OK, where is the statement, "Blood" of my "Blood?", it's not there because there was none.

only on Day #6 when the sexes (Male and Female) was created was each GIVEN blood in multiplication, by NATURAL LIFE is in the blood. here's my bases for this. when man sinned in the Garden man died spiritually, meaning cut off from the LIFE FORCE of God, (remember there is two Deaths). God knew what he was doing. by having blood now, man would not die immediately, meaning at once, (hence the grace period we have now).

from this one blood, (natural life), came all the nations, (of Natural life). supportive scripture,
Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation".

so yes, life is in the blood natually, and passed on to offspring. but in Christ upon resurrection, there will be no need for blood, for the life we will have then is by the Spirit, ETERNAL.

Hope that helped.
 

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No the bible is your Golden Calf that you have placed above God and before Him, so you wont ask because you demand God bow down to your idol. As for your proof there is plenty here that says you are wrong.
first thanks for the reply,
second, if the bible is my golden calf, as you say, if you're right then destroy the works I posted. for our works will be tested by fire. I have put my belifs on the foundation of Christ. and if the Holy Spirit is in you, then you will refute what I have posted by the word of God. if not then your works might be in danger of the fire.

yet I have seen no fire, especially from you.

now if what I have posted is incorrect, then challenge what I have posted.

else, be silent and learn something.

now the challenge been made, it's up to you,

no vain jangling, but scripture only please.
 

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first thanks for the reply,
second, if the bible is my golden calf, as you say, if you're right then destroy the works I posted. for our works will be tested by fire. I have put my belifs on the foundation of Christ. and if the Holy Spirit is in you, then you will refute what I have posted by the word of God. if not then your works might be in danger of the fire.

yet I have seen no fire, especially from you.

now if what I have posted is incorrect, then challenge what I have posted.

else, be silent and learn something.

now the challenge been made, it's up to you,

no vain jangling, but scripture only please.

What be silent to lies.. We have one God that is God, we have Christ who is His word that came in the flesh, and we have Gods Spirit His seed that is given to all men who believe, and they are all in agreement in that way they are one,

1Jn_5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

but you wont ask because the truth might set your free...or is it you dont believe you can
 

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What be silent to lies.. We have one God that is God, we have Christ who is His word that came in the flesh, and we have Gods Spirit His seed that is given to all men who believe, and they are all in agreement in that way they are one,
you say "they", meaning three separate persons? yes or no.
 

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you say "they", meaning three separate persons? yes or no.
yep 3 separate all in unison. God the father, His Word that came in the flesh and His Spirit, Seed that is given to all men, is that a problem with you??, it isnt a problem with God... He made it that way..
 

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yep 3 separate all in unison. God the father, His Word that came in the flesh and His Spirit, Seed that is given to all men, is that a problem with you??, it isnt a problem with God... He made it that way..
First thanks for the reply, let's see if there are three separate persons.
Glad you said that, for one person answered this question correctly. tell us mjrhealth, is this the same person or a different person.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

ok mjrhealth is this the same person or two separate persons, please answer,