10 different NT warning-types against eternal security

Stranger said:

At present there is sin as satan is allowed to come before God. Sin having it's origin in Heaven is why God must create a 'new Heaven and Earth'. But there was a time prior to the fall of satan, that there was no sin in Heaven or the Earth. satan was perfect...yet fell. Adam and Eve were perfect...yet fell.

So, when you get to Heaven, do you still need the imputed Righteousness of Jesus Christ to cover you?

Stranger

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justbyfaith said:

I have answered this question elsewhere.

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Stranger said:

More false doctrine of your 'imparted' righteousness. I have explained your verses several times already. Even in the verse you use, (Rom. 5:19), Paul is clear as to whose obedience is required that results in the imputation of righteousness. "By the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." But of course you say differently. You say by Christ and your obedience are you made righteous.

Yes, the Lords righteousness is clean and pure. That is our righteousness by declaration and imputation. It does not originate with us. Our righteousness is filthy rags.

See, you won't admit that your righteousness is as filthy rags. You ask me instead does it bother me that my righteousness is as filthy rags. It bothers me. But it doesn't make me lie about my righteousness. It makes me more appreciate the grace of God in calling me righteous, though I have none of myself. It makes me rejoice that righteousness is imputed to me and based upon another's obedience. Just like with Paul in (Rom. 7:24-25). It doesn't make me lie about me being a sinner.

Oh, you don't like (1 John 1:8). How about (1:9)? How about (2:1)?

You give me (Rom. 7:24) as some sort of proof, and it is against you. Look now at (7:25)? You say sin is dead in our flesh. Paul says otherwise.

Your righteousness is filthy rags. It was and is yours to begin with. It is yours now. Christ's imputed righteousness to you is not your righteousness. That righteousness which comes from you is filthy. That which you are declared to be is Christ's by imputation. It began as Christ's and remains as Christ's. The believer is fortunate to be covered by it.

Will you need the imputed righteousness of Christ to cover you in Heaven? Why?

Stranger

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Davy said:

The "filthy rags" idea from Isaiah doesn't apply to what you're trying to establish, because that idea involves the fact that we can never... be perfect like Jesus Christ, and I established that fact early on.

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Davy said:

Sorry, I don't play games with Scripture. If you want to play 20 questions with God's Word, go find someone else, because I have given more than enough Scripture evidence to explain the subject we've been discussing. The "filthy rags" idea from Isaiah doesn't apply to what you're trying to establish, because that idea involves the fact that we can never... be perfect like Jesus Christ, and I established that fact early on. So all you're wanting to do now is preach around the bush instead of recognizing that for us to stay in Christ's grace we must still repent and ask forgiveness of future sin, just as Apostle John showed in 1 John 1.

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Zachary said:

Believers who are “faithful” will be obedient to
Jesus’ commandments, and will practice righteousness!
Therefore, they will have a righteous standing before the Lord.

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justbyfaith said:

You have not established that as a fact, and also will never be able to do so; for the scripture declares that those who do righteousness are righteous even as He is righteous (1 John 3:7).

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Zachary said:

In the NT, there is a wide variety of warning-types against eternal security.
After all, variety is the spice of life!
Please forgive me for only posting one example for each warning-type.

Warnings about losing eternal life
Luke 9:23-25 ● “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself,
and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will
lose it (eternal life), but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit
is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost (eternally)?”

Warnings about gaining eternal death
Romans 6:16-23 ● “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves)
of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness”

Warnings about being shut out of the kingdom of God
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ● “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Warnings about being shut out of the New Jerusalem
Revelation 22:14-15 ● “Blessed are those who do His commandments,
that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through
the gates of the city. But outside are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually
immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”

Warnings about being blotted out of the Book of Life
Revelation 3:5 ● “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments,
and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life”
Please note: the “overcomer” of 1 John 5:4-5 only overcomes “the world”,
which is the world of unbelievers in John’s writings!

Warnings about NOT being an overcomer
Revelation 21:7-8 ● “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his
God and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Please note: in Revelation 3:21, Jesus defines who an “overcomer” is!

Warnings in conditional “IF” verses
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 ● “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel
… by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you
unless you believed in vain.”

Warnings about failing to remain in Jesus and produce fruit
John 15:1-10 ● “I am the true grapevine, and My Father is the gardener.
He (Father God) cuts off every branch of Mine (Jesus) that doesn’t produce fruit,
… Anyone who does not remain in Me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned.”

Warnings about not loving and obeying Jesus
John 14:15-23 ● “If you love Me, keep My commandments …
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
He who does not love Me does not keep My words”
Who gets into heaven who does NOT love Jesus?

Warnings about falling away from the faith
Hebrews 10:36-39 ● “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith;
but IF anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.’
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition”
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Zachary said:

Yes, that's what they all say! ...
Those who MUST find a way to REFUTE clear WARNINGS ...
so they can continue to hold on tightly to their false doctrines,
which they prefer to what they do actually read in Scripture.
Woe to those who count error as truth and truth as error!

God's warnings in Scripture are NOT there to be ignored and/or rejected.
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Zachary said:

I have an incredibly novel idea! ...
Why don't you comment on some of the 10 passages in the OP?

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Zachary said:

Pure and total insanity.
Even our very own, the JBF, wouldn't dream up such nonsense.
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Doug said:

what is jbf?

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