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From what I've witnessed, I would say absolutely yes. ...my remark about the 'visible' meant to include all perceived Christians, convicted and unconvicted. For those who believe in the invisible, absolutely yes also.
There is no power anywhere, even from the most devout and astute, and sincere Christians. Not in the way that the Holy Spirit empowered the 1st century Church. Everyone since that time, is making the claim of the inner dwelling of the Holy Spirit within them, due to explicit statements in the Bible of its occurrence in others, and the promises that we'll receive it. But absolutely no one (worth mentioning) has truly apprehended or harnessed its power, as it is meant to be .
It is either their naivete or pretentiousness, that compels them to believe that such undeniable feebleness, is testimony of the gift of the Holy Spirit within them.
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And Id agree with that, doesnt mean just because you are not seeing it isnt happening, the issue is the more you deny it happening the less chance you will have of it happeing to you. I have heard stories from people, who have had experiences with Christ, just because what the saw i didnt, doesnt make me put them down, as you insist on doing, you are the doubting Thomas, I havnt seeing so I wont believe,
No you haven't, you haven't heard stories about anyone who has had experiences with Christ. Just the expression, 'Experiences with Christ' shows the impotency of their claim.
In other words, say something, impart to this forum what these people gained from their alleged experience with Christ. ...anytime that I've ever heard anyone make this claim, and they've explained what the saw or heard, it always amounts to complete nonsense and a figment of their imagination.
Am i being too difficult simply because I expect extraordinary power from the Holy Spirit? Not, pathetic little stories about Jesus telling someone, 'It's ok, everything's going to be alright', or 'i love you'?
And show your lack of faith, I havnt seeing it therefore I wont believe it. You closed the door on God and all HE has to offer simply because you dont believe He can. You are not the first and will not be the last,
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Just remember it is you who shut the door on Him.
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Agreed. However, there are those who are not in the presence of God trying to imagine that they are against the reality of their circumstance. I believe that is what Jesus experienced with the lawyers, who had the head knowledge, but had not "entered in" to that place and presence of God, even hindering others from doing so.
On the contrary, I'm the one glorifying him. You guys with all your questionable and ambiguous epiphanies, are more often than not, praising other spirits than God. I've said countless times that I believe in the immanency of God, that he intervenes on believer's behalf. But not in the spurious manner that so many Christian's claim that he's doing in their lives. I think that these people are either arrogant or self-righteous.
A relationship with God requires the utmost humility and faith. Who has it? In other words, anyone who is that close to God, doesn't advertise it the way that we see so many people do. That is, they impart the wisdom, not the fact that they had a silly dream.
'...I've said countless times that I believe in the immanency of God, that he intervenes on believer's behalf. But not in the spurious manner that so many Christian's claim that he's doing in their lives....'
You tell the world that God cant do anything and insist you are glorifying Him, you come here in your unbelief and insisting on destroying peoples s faith, and say you are glorying Him, you havnt seeing, so everyone else is a liar, and that is glorifying Him, we offer you Christ you run away from Him and insist you are glorifying Him, pray tell me who is the destroyer, who is the one that wrecks mens faith, it is not God nor Christ, and yet to tell us we are speaking from another spirit. We come to lift up all you do is tear down.
I just want people to be sober when they attempt to glorify God.
I almost equate these false visions with wearing a tattoo of Christ. One says it's to his glory, but a little wisdom reveals otherwise i.e. if you're wearing it, you're not living it.
So, if you're seeing yourself flying across the sky because you claim that God is suspending you, it's because you can't interpret scripture. You know what I mean?
Like I said, just because you havnt seeing doesnt mean anyone else hasnt, and if He chooses too who are you to deny God that He may do as HE pleases. And if He chooses to glorify Himself to one He chooses, waht right have to tell Him He cant.
As for scripture ye christian forums are filled with people who read there idol the bible and yet never find Christ, whatever you put before Him is an Idol, he calls but you refuse to answer, its you denying Him not Him denying you.
I think that you lack discernment. You seem to be the kind of person that can't differentiate between the two sources of inspiration. In the sense that, you would allow any false doctrine or preacher into your midst, because you have no discretion.
Is that true?
BTW, you keep repeating yourself, after 5 or 6 posts, you've said nothing more than 'why not', or 'who are you to say'. Very shallow.
For me it's primarily a matter of personal edification, and whether my dream or such came from God or my own imagination, if it is true to the Scriptures, then it's truth remains.
One quick example, was this seeing the kingdom? Not sleeping, but half awake, my mother, whom I had not forgiven, but whom I believe to be born again, having died, was before me, robed in white, in her 30's, beautiful, surrounded by white, turned to me, said, Mark! It's so wonderful!!! with joy in her face, and then it was over.
A dream from my own mind? Probibly.
But in that moment it was real to me that she was perfected. The person that had done so much harm was dead, and my mother was glorified. And my anger and bitterness melted away at that moment.
From God? Probibly. Does it pass the "divine inspiration" test? I don't know.
Much love!
Yes.
Hence Peter's admonition to make your calling and election sure.
Here's a question . . .
Absent seeing, how do we actually Know that we've entered into God's presence?
Much love!
I will explain it....past, present and future all exist at the same time with God... Jesus roamed the earth and was seen in the OT before he was even born yet....God saw the end from the beginning...And consider the transfiguration where Peter, James and John witnessed His transfiguration and there appeared Moses and Elijah.....
Try to open your mind to see things spiritually and not carnal. The law of physics does not apply to His world.
It's from the Bible that you find Christ. Discard the Bible, and you risk finding another christ.
Just like all the people on these forums and all the different religions who read the same bible and preach a different Christ, there is a reason why Christs sends His spirit to those who believe.
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