Is There Different Beliefs Among Catholics? Chrislam Movement?
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To save yourself further embarrassment, please take note of the following information, which comes from Sunday School 101:
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The term "new testament" is just an old-fashioned way of saying "new covenant" -
ie, covenant = testament.
If the term "new testament" is used in Scripture (eg, Heb 9:15), it is not referring to the body of writings, Matthew to Revelation - it is referring to the new covenant established by the shed blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The new covenant/testament established through Jesus replaces the old covenant/testament established through Moses.
The Bible is divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament, but those terms are just "nicknames" for the contents.
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Ye wont be much laughing on that day...
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
God bless you
LOL...I'm not embarrassed for what you say.
No.
Covenant is a promise,
Testament is WHAT and to WHOM the promise is given!
The Old Covenant (Promise)
was Given
BY:
the Old Testament (Earlier Word of OF God)
TO:
Hebrews and Tribes of Israel.
The Old Covenant and Testament was NOT Replaced.
It Was Fulfilled!
Any Hebrew person or person of the Tribes of Israel...
Can Believe the the Old Covenant (Promise), was Fulfilled...or Not!
And IF NOT, they can elect to Continue, to follow and obey the The Old Testament Laws.
Because as The Word of God: Jesus' Testimony reveals:
Matt 5:
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, (or as you say REPLACE), but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The Word of God: Named Jesus;
Rev 19:
[13] ...his name is called The Word of God.
revealed BY His Testimony, "a Better Covenant (promise)"...
Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
The Old Covenant (Promise) was Given
To: Hebrews and Tribes of Israel.
The New Covenant (Promise) was Given:
BY Testimony,
BY the Word of God (Jesus)
TO "ALL" People ...
...Hebrews/ Tribes of Israel/ Jews/ Gentiles
Your understanding of your "Sunday SCHOOL 101", Failed you from the get-go.
A Covenant IS a Promise.
WHAT the Promise IS
and
TO WHOM the Promise is Given IS
Revealed in The Testimony
OF:
The Word of God.
Which further: you reveal; you have Confusion of WHAT the Word of God IS:
and
Where to Find The Word of God.
If you are embarrassed...you do something About that...
You clearly Stated, you have NO NEED for Scriptures.
You have been Taught:
The Catholic Church IS the Only True Church;
And Whatever the Catholic Church Teaches IS ALL you require.
When the FACTS ARE:
1) Christ's Church: is a person WITHIN Christ's (risen, living Glorified Body).
Rom 12:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Christ's Church, IS An Internal Church...
It's MEMBERS, Can Gather together and Assemble IN man-made Buildings;
To Praise and Worship the Lord God Almighty.
Any man-made building, or Any Place, or Any Time, Members IN the Body of Christ who Gather, to Praise and Worship The Lord God Almighty, the Lord God IS With "Them"...HIS Church.
Teaching the Catholic Church IS the Only TRUE Church is hogwash.
Any Gathering of people...
OF WHOM, they are IN Christ, IS a Gathering of Christ's Church.
And BTW:
How a single Individual Person JOINS and Becomes A Member of Christ's Church...
IS:
BY their OWN True and Sure Heartfelt Belief:
John 6:
[69] And we believe and are sure that thou (Jesus) art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
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Y-A-W-N.
It’s clear by now that you have no Scriptural evidence that the NT is “the word of God”, so if the Scriptures don’t say the NT is the “word of God”, how do you know the NT is “the word of God”? (As far as I know, the only place in the NT where the term “the word of God” is linked to Scripture is Matt 15:6, but it refers to the OT.)
So I’ll give up on that question and ask you another one://////////Who decided that the books from Matthew to Revelation, known as the New Testament, are sacred Scripture and the inspired word of God and should therefore be included in the canon of the Christian Bible?
What do Jewish Scriptures have to do with my question? I asked you who decided on the canon of the NT, not the OT.
But while you’re at it, please tell me who decided which Jewish writings should be included in the OT canon of the Christian Bible, and which Jewish writings should not be included in the OT canon of the Christians Bible?
The apostolic churches had most of the books of the NT being circulated and copied. By the 2nd century the Syriac Peshitta (translation of the Bible into Syriac) was in circulation. Also the 2nd century Muratori Canon in Greek provided an almost complete list of NT books. So the canon was established very early.
The Lord Jesus Christ confirmed that the 24 books of the Hebrew Tanakh were the only books in the OT canon. They correspond to our 39 books (in Protestant bibles). Thus all the apocryphal books were AUTOMATICALLY EXCLUDED. See Luke 24.
It is clear you do not search the Truth in Scripture.
God Sent:
Something that was IN God, forth "out from" (NOT out OF) God TO Earth.
That which was IN God IS God, and God was IN and With the Something He Sent to Earth.
A Thing was Foretold IT would come forth out from God and Sent...where it would prosper.
Isa 55:11
That Something ...was Sent in the last days (before Gods GREAT Tribulation upon the Earth)
Heb 1:2
That Something...IS God, His Word.
John 1:1
That Something...was, out from God.
John 16:27
John 17:8
That Something...was sent by God
John 3:16
That Something...came into this World
John 1:10
That Something...made this World
John 1:10
That Something ...was Called The Son of God
Luke 1:35
That Something...was Named JESUS
Matt 1:21
That Something...is a holy thing
Luke 1:35
That Something...had Gods Word/Doctrine in Him
John 7:16
That Something...was Given By God, particular men (particular Jewish men), for Gods Word to be PUT IN Them...For Isa 55: 11 to be Fulfilled...Those men Did prosper with Gods Word IN Them.
John 6:39
John 5:24
Gods Word and God are one in the Same God...
John 1:30
John 10:30
Jesus shall return to Earth...and on His Clothing Shall be written His Name:
Rev 19:13
Agree you Knowledge and understanding
IS LIMITED..
You have repeatedly been given Scriptures to go and search, to increase your Knowledge of Gods Truth...but Reveal you DO no such thing...as a matter of fact you claimed, you have no NEED of God Written Scriptures.
Do as Scripture Teaches...Go Verify what you hear and see if that is In Scriptures...if it is Believe it...IF it isn't, don't believe it.
Give up before you Verify?
That is Quitting before you have begun to know the Truth!
Men Who Had Writings Revealed to men and Trusted the Word of God.
You skipped a step in the Order.
Jewish men (God gave to Jesus),
John 6:39
Jesus spoke, taught them,
Scribes Recorded the exchange between Jesus and Jewish men.
Recorders Wrote on Scrolls, from what the Scribes had Written.
There were also Letters that Jesus Disciples Wrote to other Jewish, Hearing and learning About Jesus.
When Jesus' chosen Disciples Died off...Many Jews began Leaving the Church Jesus Established and Returned to FOLLOWING OT Laws.
At the same Time Some Gentile's had been influenced by Paul's Teaching, and Continued in Paul's Teaching...AND assuming and appointing themselves in Authoritative Status Positions within the Established Church Buildings.
They Also has First hand Access to the Collection of many Scrolls and Letters the JEWISH Scribes, Recorders and Disciples of Jesus, had Written.
They appointed themselves the caretakers of these Writings and Kept them Out of the publics' hands and accessibility.
(However they did not have All copies, the Jews had Written and distributed among the Jews).
There came a point in time...Gentile men who had taken over Jewish Churches, Began building more church assembly buildings...and calling their buildings and members the "Universal" Church, which is the meaning of the Word "Catholic".
The Jews, have had historical conventions and Assembled "Their" OWN preserved Scrolls into Books.
Many years later The Gentile men, also began assembling their collection of Scrolls, letters into A book:
A Canon of INCLUDED material text.
A Canon with EXCLUDED material text.
And A codification Within the Book...
Headings of A Book, Breaking of the Words into Verses, later numbered...ALL for the purpose of easy reference.
Hand written Bibles would have been Written from Scrolls and letters by the men who had possession of such Scrolls and letters.
Later Bibles were printed with a type setting machine From the same sources available to them.
Later Bibles were mass produced and available to the Public for purchase.
Later Bibles were printed in other Languages of people of diverse language around the World...and continue to be Revised as people change the meaning of their own native language, to mean other things.
Inclusion and Exclusion of What Text Source to Include IN the Bible...
Considering Thousands of Scrolls and Letters were written in ancient history, by Any one who could Write. (Kings Scribes, prophets, teachers, the Disciples, their Scribes, Hebrews ancient writings, their Scribes, common men...etc. ...all ancient writings and copies were of Interest to Collectors to search out, take, buy, or in some manner Collect an original or Copy.
So MANY years after Collecting Copies, the Gentiles who had taken Offer the Jewish Church's established by Jewish men...
These Gentiles met in council to decide which writings of their Collection they would Assemble into a single codified Book.
I was not at the Council, but would take an educated guess, their intent was to Include as much dialogue JESUS spoke Directly...words Jesus' Disciples Spoke directly, directly spoken words of land ruling king's (And their appointed governors), and common people...(even Philopophers of the day)
And events and outcomes.
Not a complicated Idea...but exasperating having to Read All the Collected texts that amounted to Thoughts and ideas and guessing and feelings of men who did Not KNOW the Word of God.
So a daunting work of reading and sifting through all their collections...landed them on
An Inclusion of Text they were to the best of their ability Satisfied Would forward to men, the Word of God that God wanted revealed to mankind
Jews (particularly nearest Rome) tended to Include tests in their holy books...that Jews further Away from Rome, did not Include.
Gentile's (particularly nearest Rome) included texts in their One Bible...that Gentiles further away from Rome did not Include in their One Bible. (Gentile's calling themselves Roman Catholic...and their apocrypha).
Gentile's, not Roman Catholic or Catholic...
May find the apocrypha interesting text, but do not accept the apocrypha as Official Scripture.
Not sure of your wondering question...
The source of the Word of God is and always has been Gods Word out of His mouth.
Words have been heard and Texts have been written and collected and preserve by men SINCE the Beginning.
Any confusion men have created or credit men have bestowed upon themselves is Overcome...when a man has the Spirit of God WITH a man's OWN Quickened spirit, with the Writing of Gods OWN Firsthand TRUTH of God, in the fleshy tablet of a man's new heart.
2 Cor 3:
[3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Glory to God,
Taken
Because the OT...established BY God...
Has Three things for mankind.
Laws
Statues
Precepts
it doesn't matter if The Law Applied to you, if you are a man kInd of thing...the OT PRECEPTS Do APPLY TO YOU, so you should be interested in what they are and the source.
Likely a mix of Jews and Gentiles.
I wasn't there to give you a firsthand account.
I'll leave that up to God.
Scripture implies the Bereans searched only the Old Testament to verify what the apostles told them (Acts 17). Why are you recommending searching only the OT?
Now is your big chance to show off your authoritative knowledge of the men who decided on the canon of the New Testament: Who were they? What were their names? What was the name of their council, where was it held and in what year did it occur? What was the name of their Church?
What a load of drivel.
Compare the two translations of Heb 9:15 below - the first is from the New King James Version, the second is from the original King James Version:
NKJV
”And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.”
KJV
”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
Can you see from comparing these two translations that "new testament' is simply an old-fashioned term for "new covenant"? In which case - contrary to your claim - the term "new testament" in Heb 9:15 is not referring to the collection of canonical books, Matthew to Revelation, but to the new covenant established by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
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I said no such thing.
Why are you making up Lies?
Do you have a comprehension Problem?
Already have said, I do not know them, their individual intents...I was not in attendance !
What is known: is several Councils were held, seemingly by request of the ruling Emperors.
There have been so many religious councils gathered together.
Are you talking about the Churches of Jewish men...in these places? (In modern day Turkey)
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea?
The Church's established under the authority of: "Jesus is the Christ, the son of the Living God"...were typically called Christian, and by the name of their city. Same as many Christian Churches today.
Matt 5
Rev 19
Heb 7
Rom 12
John 6 ... that I posted TO YOU is:
I hear ya, crystal clear...and am confidant The Lord also heard you.
...
No ....you have evidenced you are Not Qualified to give me ANY directional advice.
Glory to God,
Taken
In other words, you've no idea who decided on the Canon of the OT or the NT. Why doesn't the that surprise me?
If you studied history, you would discover it was the Catholic Church ... so whatever you do, don't study history, it will reveal an inconvenient truth.
What you posted to me was senseless drivel. You'll do anything to avoid admitting that you're wrong.
Speaking of which, please cite any Bible commentary that agrees with your (wonderfully entertaining) claim that "new testament" in Heb 9:15 refers to the canon of Scriptures from Matthew to Revelation. Good luck with that.
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Please tell me the term "new covenant" means in the following verse:
”And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.” (Hen 9:15)
Why do you require your words to comprehend what I said?
I am not in the least surprised, you are crippled in understanding what other people say to you...and are surprised at what you say FOR other people...
LOL...wow...now that is astounding.
The Jews were given the Word of God.
The Jews believing in Jesus the Christ, were speaking the Word of God.
The Jews were establishing Churches preaching the Word of God.
The Jews were Writing the Word of God.
And the Gentiles JOINING up with the Jews, put select writings into a book form, changed the name of their Churches to Catholic...
And backpat themselves for the next hundreds of years.
Funny how the "Catholics" having access to hundreds of pages of texts to Include in the Book...somehow had no texts to Include about Mary's Supposed sinlessness, Peters Supposed pope title, a Supposed Earthly "holy father", teaching the Holy Spirit QUICKENS a person without their belief, Teaching salvation is only received at the end of a person's life, teaching saints are only in heaven, and ON and ON and ON, which can only be found in a Catholic's "secondary" book, Not derived from the Word of God Given the Jews, but Written AND Assembled by Catholics for Catholics...which seems pretty Hokey...after taking credit for Assembling the Bible...but then finding it insufficient!
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