Your Power is in Your Saying and Believing Jessie Duplantis

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Just something that I have been pondering, Jesse, and Kenneth Copeland ask for money from people- so where is their faith. I have watched many of their sermons over the years, they give a message but request that others send in their money. Praying is asking God , but when you then go to people and ask them to give, you are actually endeavouring to answer the prayer for yourself.................
Their are many that testify to having a need, praying and without any action beyond prayer, they receive the money / provision they need - and usually it is the exact amount or exact item. I tend to believe that the latter is praying in faith ..........
 
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Heart2Soul

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I really don't want any more warnings in PM for coming against your false gospel and false views. Read the verse, God said it, I'm just his servant.
Consider this explanation:

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

— Exodus 20:17
Unlike the other commandments which focus on outward actions, this commandment focuses on thought. It is an imperative against setting one's desire on things that are forbidden. One commandment forbids the act of adultery. This commandment forbids the desire for adultery. One commandment forbids stealing. This commandment forbids the desire for acquisition of another's goods. The New Testament describes Jesus as interpreting the Ten Commandments as issues of the heart's desires rather than merely prohibiting certain outward actions.

You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "Do not murder," and "anyone who murders will be subject to judgment." But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment … You have heard that it was said, "Do not commit adultery." But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

— Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28 (NIV)
 

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And this is New Testament views:
The Gospel of Luke describes Jesus' warning to guard one's heart against covetousness. "Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."[24] Jesus also describes the sins that defile a person as sins from coming from untamed desires in the heart.[25] The Epistle of James portrays covetous desire residing in the heart as being the internal source of temptation and sin.[26] James goes on to describe how covetous desire leads to fighting and that lack of material possessions is caused by not asking God for them and by asking with wrong motives.

You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

— James 4:2-4[27]
The Epistle to the Ephesians and the Epistle to the Colossians regard the sin of covetousness as a kind of idolatry and list this sin along with sexual immorality and impurity which give rise to the wrath of God.[28]

But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

— Ephesians 5:5-6[29]
The New Testament stresses thanksgiving and contentment as proper heart attitudes that contrast covetousness. John the Baptist exhorted soldiers to be content with their pay rather than extorting money by threats and false accusations.[30] The book of Hebrews encourages one to keep his life free from the love of money and "be content with what you have" and depend on the promises and help of God rather than trusting in wealth.[31] The book of 1 Timothy contains a classic warning against the love of money and stresses that it is great gain to be content with food and clothing.

Now there is great gain in godliness with contentment, for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

— 1 Timothy 6:6-10[32]
 

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If only Peter knew it wasn't God's will for him to suffer:


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Who says, Peter did not give up his life to further the Gospel
 

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Turning the message of the gospel into materialism, personal succe$$, wealth, health is a dangerous, Satanic distortion of the truth. It is idolatry.


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Deuteronomy 30:9 (ESV)
9 The Lord your God will make you abundantly prosperous in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your womb and in the fruit of your cattle and in the fruit of your ground. For the Lord will again take delight in prospering you, as he took delight in your fathers,
 
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By the way, just to make it clear, I am not saying within any of my posts on this thread that it is not right to pray for healing or provision - what I am saying is that I do believe that God can use sickness and allows it for his purposes at times and that those who are poor or suffering can and do bring him glory through what they face. .......
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By the way, just to make it clear, I am not saying within any of my posts on this thread that it is not right to pray for healing or provision - what I am saying is that I do believe that God can use sickness and allows it for his purposes at times and that those who are poor or suffering can and do bring him glory through what they face. .......
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Jesus said the poor will always be with you, as disciples of Jesus we are to care for them that is one of our great commissions.
 

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Deuteronomy 8:18
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But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God; for it is He that giveth thee power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
Cross References:

Proverbs 10:22 - The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it. (Verses like Proverbs 10:22)

Hosea 2:8 - For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal. (Verses like Hosea 2:8)

Deuteronomy 7:8 - But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. (Verses like Deuteronomy 7:8)

Deuteronomy 7:12 - Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers: (Verses like Deuteronomy 7:12)

Psalms 127:1-2 - (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep. (Verses like Psalms 127:1)

Psalms 127:1 - (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. (Verses like Psalms 127:1)
 
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Jesus said the poor will always be with you, as disciples of Jesus we are to care for them that is one of our great commissions.
The way you have worded that implies that ‘ others ‘ will be poor and we will need to care for them ( the great commission I am not disagreeing with ) I am perhaps referring to that fact that Christians can be sick and poor as well and still bring glory to God .........
 
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Proverbs 13:22 ESV
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, but the sinner's wealth is laid up for the righteous.
Proverbs 28:8 ESV
Whoever multiplies his wealth by interest and profit gathers it for him who is generous to the poor.
2 Corinthians 9:8 ESV
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
Ecclesiastes 5:19 ESV
Everyone also to whom God has given wealth and possessions and power to enjoy them, and to accept his lot and rejoice in his toil—this is the gift of God.
 

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The way you have worded that implies that ‘ others ‘ will be poor and we will need to care for them ( the great commission I am not disagreeing with ) I am perhaps referring to that fact that Christians can be sick and poor as well and still bring glory to God .........
I am sure the poor were Christians as well...the story of the widow woman who gave 2 mites was praised because she gave all she had.
 
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Deuteronomy 30:9 (ESV)
9 The Lord your God will make you abundantly prosperous in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your womb and in the fruit of your cattle and in the fruit of your ground. For the Lord will again take delight in prospering you, as he took delight in your fathers,

A promise given to the people of Israel with the condition that they kept the whole of Gods law, not just the bits they liked.

If you are claiming this for Christians today you need to show where it says that it applies to us today and still keep the whole of Gods laws.
 
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