"Pushing the Homosexual Agenda"

Candidus · May 28, 2020

Justadude said:
Do you really need the differences between drunk driving and being gay explained to you?

So to you, "Gays should not be allowed to be openly gay" is a "measured response"? Interesting.

What in my post ever said anything about Homosexual Perverts not being allowed to be open? The "measured response" of Christianity is merely an equal push-back to homosexuality being forced down our throats! Our Children are being brainwashed to accept it, and embrace it as natural! This is not "Tolerance", it's recruiting! I don't need to be told how the utter depth of Depravity of Homosexuality compares to drunkenness. Both sins are a choice.

Being "legal" in a Country and being "tolerated" is not the equivalent to being neutral or non-sinful.

Taken · May 28, 2020

Cristo Rei said:
Exposing children to sexual concepts has always been wrong in western culture, same with homosexuality.

Now they're exposing this lgdt rubbish to kids, indoctrinating them to believe it is righteous.
Anyone who opposes is condemned. Make no doubt about it folks, this is the work of Satan.

Taking the Truth and Turning it into a Lie...
Then call people haters who refuse to Accept their Lie.

Twisted twice like a pretzel. Ugh!

Candidus · May 28, 2020

Justadude said:
Maybe you need to clarify, but it seems as if you're basically saying that Christians should be free to live and speak as they please, but gays should not be allowed to be openly gay and be in leading roles in movies or shows.

Do you see how that sort of attitude furthers the impression that Christians just don't like gay people?

I don't like being around sin, and especially those who revel in their sin. This would include being around Homosexuals, murderers, drunkards, thieves and the like. If you are... you would be miserable in Heaven!

The actual percentage of Homosexuals consists of 3% or less of the population. Why does nearly every television show have to have a "token" homosexual? There are more disabled people in this world, why are they not represented in larger numbers than Homosexuals? It is just not "representative" of society. Not all people are eager to have a "Gay" friend. Most people in America do not think that Homosexuality is normal, natural, and right. Most people find it to be disgusting, abnormal, and sinful, and certainly most would not want their child to "come out" as Homosexual! Perversion is nothing to take Pride in!

Justadude · May 28, 2020

theophilus said:
Perhaps you can understand homosexuality better if you read the testimony of a former lesbian who began studying the Bible.

My Story – Emily Thomes

I went to read that and my virus protection software went off.

Justadude · May 28, 2020

Taken said:
Homosexuality is abnormal.
A child's mind is not developed enough to comprehend sexual desires, normal or otherwise.
Disney is a fantasy-themed Enterprise geared toward children.
Seriously - for what purpose would Disney try to engage young minds in sex at all?

This is Disney/Pixar, and I don't think the short film was targeted towards young children.

Taken said:
Actually, the proper reaction of a Christian should be to no longer "simply" Trust the Name of a Disney production being "suitable" for a young child's viewing pleasure.

I agree. A parent should look specifically at the material and not just go by the company that made it.

Justadude · May 28, 2020

Cristo Rei said:
Exposing children to sexual concepts has always been wrong in western culture, same with homosexuality.

Now they're exposing this lgdt rubbish to kids, indoctrinating them to believe it is righteous.
Anyone who opposes is condemned. Make no doubt about it folks, this is the work of Satan.

If acknowledging that gays exist is "the work of Satan", do you think it should be illegal for companies to include gay characters in their productions?

Justadude · May 28, 2020

marks said:
Actually, both belong to a culture that promotes homosexuality, attempting to both impose it and normalize it.

What do you mean by "impose it"?

If you ever want to test the validity of the logic, just drop a different word in there. Pick a different proclivity that you for whatever reason aren't defending.

So if a movie has a nun as a character, is that imposing Catholicism?

But doesn't this just come down to opinions, one has one opinion, another has another, and that's the end of it?

I hope so.

I mean, if one sexual deviation from the norm is to be tolerated, even to the point of vilifying those who condemn it, then why not extend the same courtesy to all sexual deviations? Surely the question answers itself!

As always, it depends.

marks said:
Actually, yes it does work that way. Children are being encouraged to accept the possibility that they may be "gay" so called, or, Same Sex Attraction Disorder - SSAD.

So they are encouraged to experiment in school, and on TV, and even Disney is cool with SSAD. And what when they find themself drawn in, forget about whatever they would or wouldn't have been had they not been encouraged by this plethora of voices and examples of how cool SSAD is.

You know, I've never heard of a heterosexual person deciding to become gay after they saw a gay character in a show. Do you think that sort of thing could happen to you?

Kids will relentlessly tease each other about anything, but it's cool to be a persecuted queer, and they gather around them protective and making them special.

Yes, today's youth generally do stand up for LGBTQs when they're bullied or discriminated against. I think that's admirable, don't you?

And we outlaw polygamy, and pedophilia, and other unmentionables, but not that, what hypocrits!

Most folks understand the difference between activities among consenting adults and those that involve non-consenting children. And can I take the above to mean that you'd prefer it if homosexuality were illegal and gays were imprisoned?

Justadude · May 28, 2020

Candidus said:
What in my post ever said anything about Homosexual Perverts not being allowed to be open?

Glad we agree on that then.

The "measured response" of Christianity is merely an equal push-back to homosexuality being forced down our throats!

Paging Dr. Freud.....

Our Children are being brainwashed to accept it, and embrace it as natural! This is not "Tolerance", it's recruiting! I don't need to be told how the utter depth of Depravity of Homosexuality compares to drunkenness. Both sins are a choice.

Being "legal" in a Country and being "tolerated" is not the equivalent to being neutral or non-sinful.

Well, if we both agree that LGBTQs have the same right to be in movies, shows, and books as anyone else, and Christians like you have every right to speak out about it, then I think we're good.

Justadude · May 28, 2020

Candidus said:
I don't like being around sin, and especially those who revel in their sin. This would include being around Homosexuals, murderers, drunkards, thieves and the like. If you are... you would be miserable in Heaven!

There's a lot of people who don't like being around Christians either. So just as they should probably avoid Christians, you should probably avoid gay people.

The actual percentage of Homosexuals consists of 3% or less of the population. Why does nearly every television show have to have a "token" homosexual? There are more disabled people in this world, why are they not represented in larger numbers than Homosexuals? It is just not "representative" of society. Not all people are eager to have a "Gay" friend.

I agree that it's become a bit of a cause celebre, but hey....if these companies make money by including LGBTQ actors and characters, then that's what they're gonna do.

Most people in America do not think that Homosexuality is normal, natural, and right. Most people find it to be disgusting, abnormal, and sinful, and certainly most would not want their child to "come out" as Homosexual! Perversion is nothing to take Pride in!

I'm not sure where you got that from. The polls I've seen consistently show that a solid majority (in the US) support gay marriage, would vote for a gay President, agree that being gay should not be illegal, etc.....

Gay and Lesbian Rights

MattMooradian · May 28, 2020

Justadude said:
Do you appreciate how "they should not be allowed to be openly gay, and they should not be given basic civil rights" is contradictory to "they should be treated as everyone else"?

Not a contradiction (IMO). Treat them just like the guy with the neck tattoo. Would you hire an attorney to advocate for your business if he had a neck tattoo? No. Because the tattoo may bias the judge or jury against your business! It would be too risky for that business. If you're a funeral parlor business, you don't want your greeter to have pink hair; nor do you want a person with a man's face and female breasts greeting your customers. Discrimination can be normal and good - some of the time. Many people, walking alone late at night, cross the street to avoid a man wearing a hoodie - that's discrimination against the guy in the hoodie; but, its also the smart thing to do. Many people refuse to hire people with neck tattoos; do you accept that? Covid has resulted in discrimination that is culturally acceptable - shaming people that do not wear masks! Discrimination is everywhere, most people are too blind to see it (except in their pet visions - LGBTQ). Discrimination is genetic - it starts at home. You are a prejudice person (as am I), you favor people who share your genetics - everyone does (that is, you favor family members over non-family). That's discrimination, and we'll never make fair laws against it (without producing more discrimination in the process. LGBTQ laws discriminate against people that are not LGBTQ - it elevates their value above the rest of us; gives them protections the rest of us are not favored by).

Justadude said:
Dude....being molested is not the same thing as seeing a gay character on a TV show. Frankly, I'm shocked that you would try and equate the two.

The point is that exposure to sexually arousing experiences is arousing and confusing to those at a tender age.

Justadude said:
So if a director wants to have a gay character or actor in a leading role, what then?

Then, we stop seeing movies by that director.

Justadude said:
Do you see how that sort of attitude furthers the impression that Christians just don't like gay people?

Yes; I can see that. But, its not about liking or disliking them. Its about not wanting to be exposed to their lifestyle. Gay people can be as friendly and kind as anyone else. I have gay friends & they seem to enjoy my company (& they tolerate my politics), but their lifestyle should not be presented as normal.

Justadude · May 28, 2020

MattMooradian said:
Not a contradiction (IMO). Treat them just like the guy with the neck tattoo. Would you hire an attorney to advocate for your business if he had a neck tattoo? No. Because the tattoo may bias the judge or jury against your business! It would be too risky for that business. If you're a funeral parlor business, you don't want your greeter to have pink hair; nor do you want a person with a man's face and female breasts greeting your customers. Discrimination can be normal and good - some of the time. Many people, walking alone late at night, cross the street to avoid a man wearing a hoodie - that's discrimination against the guy in the hoodie; but, its also the smart thing to do. Many people refuse to hire people with neck tattoos; do you accept that? Covid has resulted in discrimination that is culturally acceptable - shaming people that do not wear masks! Discrimination is everywhere, most people are too blind to see it (except in their pet visions - LGBTQ). Discrimination is genetic - it starts at home. You are a prejudice person (as am I), you favor people who share your genetics - everyone does (that is, you favor family members over non-family). That's discrimination, and we'll never make fair laws against it (without producing more discrimination in the process. LGBTQ laws discriminate against people that are not LGBTQ - it elevates their value above the rest of us; gives them protections the rest of us are not favored by).

Neck tattoos, pink hair, and hoodies are all outward, visible traits. Homosexuality isn't.

The point is that exposure to sexually arousing experiences is arousing and confusing to those at a tender age.

Do you agree that it's the parents' responsibility to protect their children from that sort of exposure?

Then, we stop seeing movies by that director.

As is your right.

Yes; I can see that. But, its not about liking or disliking them. Its about not wanting to be exposed to their lifestyle.

You don't want to "exposed to their lifestyle", gays want to live openly just like everyone else. Now what?

Gay people can be as friendly and kind as anyone else.

Then why would a law firm not hire a good attorney just because they're gay?

I have gay friends & they seem to enjoy my company (& they tolerate my politics), but their lifestyle should not be presented as normal.

I don't quite get this part. It's pretty clear that most of the Christians here believe being gay is not normal. The short film we're talking about depicts its main character as gay. By your own framing (gay = abnormal), doesn't that therefore mean Pixar is presenting the character as abnormal? Or were you thinking of something else, like wanting companies to depict gays only in a negative light?

Cristo Rei · May 28, 2020

Justadude said:
If acknowledging that gays exist is "the work of Satan", do you think it should be illegal for companies to include gay characters in their productions?

Put that strawman away cos i didn't say that acknowledging that gays exist is the work of Satan.
I think it should be illegal to expose children to any sexual concepts, info or material.

Why are you so willing to see prepubescent children be taught about being gay?

Cristo Rei · May 28, 2020

if one sexual deviation from the norm is to be tolerated, even to the point of vilifying those who condemn it, then why not extend the same courtesy to all sexual deviations?

Justadude said:
As always, it depends.

What about zoophillia then, should that be accepted and promoted?

Justadude · May 28, 2020

Cristo Rei said:
Put that strawman away cos i didn't say that acknowledging that gays exist is the work of Satan.

That's why I asked.

I think it should be illegal to expose children to any sexual concepts, info or material.

Does that include depictions of heterosexual couples?

Why are you so willing to see prepubescent children be taught about being gay?

First, I haven't seen anything indicating that this short film is specifically targeted to young children. Second, from what I can tell the film doesn't "teach about being gay". It's not as if it has an instructional segment.

Cristo Rei said:
if one sexual deviation from the norm is to be tolerated, even to the point of vilifying those who condemn it, then why not extend the same courtesy to all sexual deviations?

What about zoophillia then, should that be accepted and promoted?

The first filter you should apply to that sort of question is "does it involve consenting adults?" If the answer to that part is no, then the answer to the bigger question is likely no as well.

Cristo Rei · May 28, 2020

Justadude said:
The first filter you should apply to that sort of question is "does it involve consenting adults?" If the answer to that part is no, then the answer to the bigger question is likely no as well.

Our first filter is "does it involve one man and one woman".
Your first filter is "does it involve consenting adults"
A zoophiles first filter is "does it harm anyone"

What makes your opinion morally superior to the others?
How do u define what is moral and what is immoral?

Justadude · May 29, 2020

Cristo Rei said:
Our first filter is "does it involve one man and one woman".
Your first filter is "does it involve consenting adults"
A zoophiles first filter is "does it harm anyone"

What makes your opinion morally superior to the others?
How do u define what is moral and what is immoral?

Since your question was whether those things "should that be accepted and promoted", I'd say because that's a societal-level issue, the fact that society has expressly prohibited those things is a good indication.

Cristo Rei · May 29, 2020

Justadude said:
Since your question was whether those things "should that be accepted and promoted", I'd say because that's a societal-level issue, the fact that society has expressly prohibited those things is a good indication.

Yes i would call this a societal moral. These morals of the bible are objective
Both zoophilia and homosexuality are detrimental to the sustainability of a society as they don't promote procreation.
No procreation means no society. So how is beastiality detrimental to society and homosexuality not?

Society prohibited homosexuality for thousands of years. Objectively deemed immoral. Now its ok even though much of society disagree
So by that logic it should be fine for beastiality to eventually be accepted and promoted by the next generation, right?

The generation before mine believed that adultery was wrong
My generation said ok adultery will be tolerated but not homosexuality
The generation after me (yours I suspect) said ok we accept homosexuality and trannies but not beastiality
What will the next generation allow. Could very easily be zoophilia...

And so which generation is correct??? The latest one.
Why??? Cos that's how they feel, no other objective...
And what has happened to the original Christian objective that was centered on family??? Gone.
50% divorce rate. Half of the kids at school are being raised by single parents. Most of them grow up mentally deficient

This is what happens when morality becomes subjective

Justadude · May 29, 2020

Cristo Rei said:
Yes i would call this a societal moral.

Glad we agree.

These morals of the bible are objective

Which morals?

Both zoophilia and homosexuality are detrimental to the sustainability of a society as they don't promote procreation.

Only if everyone (or a large majority) does it.

No procreation means no society. So how is beastiality detrimental to society and homosexuality not?

That's where we go back to the concept of consenting adults.

Society prohibited homosexuality for thousands of years. Objectively deemed immoral. Now its ok even though much of society disagree
So by that logic it should be fine for beastiality to eventually be accepted and promoted by the next generation, right?

Only if the people in favor of it manage to convince enough of society that it should be.

The generation before mine believed that adultery was wrong

But that didn't stop many of them from engaging in it.

My generation said ok adultery will be tolerated but not homosexuality
The generation after me (yours I suspect) said ok we accept homosexuality and trannies but not beastiality
What will the next generation allow. Could very easily be zoophilia...

Or not. I guess we'll see.

And so which generation is correct??? The latest one.
Why??? Cos that's how they feel, no other objective...

A lot of moral decisions are based on feelings.

And what has happened to the original Christian objective that was centered on family??? Gone.
50% divorce rate. Half of the kids at school are being raised by single parents. Most of them grow up mentally deficient

This is what happens when morality becomes subjective

It's always been subjective, even within Christianity.

Cristo Rei · May 29, 2020

Justadude said:
Glad we agree.

Which morals?

Only if everyone (or a large majority) does it.

That's where we go back to the concept of consenting adults.

Only if the people in favor of it manage to convince enough of society that it should be.

But that didn't stop many of them from engaging in it.

Or not. I guess we'll see.

A lot of moral decisions are based on feelings.

It's always been subjective, even within Christianity.

The Christian morals regarding sex are objective

I guess a simple way to explain your view would be, whatever the majority of society concurs with at the time is right

Enoch111 · May 29, 2020

Cristo Rei said:
What makes your opinion morally superior to the others?

The delusion under which all liberals labor is that they are indeed morally superior to conservatives (whether politically or spiritually). While they lie through their teeth, they try what is know as "virtue signaling". Even when the Democrats are clearly breaking the laws of the land, they are pretending that that is morally superior to upholding the law! Obamagate is a good example, so are sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, open borders, handouts to illegals, fraudulent IDs to illegals, etc. And there is always an excuse for every evil deed.

Getting back to the title of this thread, the homosexual minority has been pushing its agenda aggressively for years and years, and the feckless politicians have been encouraging it (in hopes or garnering some votes). Since deep down all homosexuals know that what they practice is a perversion of the natural order, they must make up for their guilt by calling themselves "gay" instead of "wretched", and promote their lifestyle at every opportunity (particularly through those sickening gap parades). The corollary of homosexuality is pedophilia, and today all young children are in grave danger.

"Pushing the Homosexual Agenda"

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