Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay

Renniks · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
I'm just pointing out the facts. Police have documented many right-wing terrorists and white nationalists killing police, vandalizing property, and rioting, while no one seems to have documented one case of a BLM member doing any of that. Either BLM members are much, much smarter than right-wing people, or those facts show who's behind all the violence.

Given that there's documentation of BLM members actually protecting police officers from some of those rioters, you really don't have much to go on.

Facts? The facts are that the people being arrested are BLM "protestors". If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Des Moines protests: Black Lives Matter organizer charged in Saturday protest

9 Black Lives Matter Activists Charged With Vandalism Over 405 Freeway Protest

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

Renniks said:
Facts? The facts are that the people being arrested are BLM "protestors"

But you can't show even one to be a BLM member? That's pretty good clue for you, isn't it?

On the other hand, police have caught and identified numerous right-wing terrorists who have killed police officers, committed acts of vandalism, and tried to incite riots. Either BLM members are a whole lot smarter than right-wingers (which I admit does have considerable evidence to support it) or your imagination got it completely wrong.

One of those. Wait... you finally found a case?

Renniks said:
9 Black Lives Matter Activists Charged With Vandalism Over 405 Freeway Protest

Arrested for chalking words on the road? Well, that's almost as bad as white nationalists killing police officers, isn't it? (WFTH-I) But at least you guys are now on the board.

Brakelite · Aug 5, 2020

Democrats' Election Plans Are Far More Radical Than The Media Will Say

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

And quote Tehren;(sic)

"Evil Tehren"(sic)
are all over the forum.

Ah, forgot my Warning For The Humor-Impaired. My bad.

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

kcnalp said:
I think the Dems should repay all the taxpayer money they wasted on their Trump witch hunt of over 3 years.

Actually, the Mueller investigation put away lots of criminals associated with Trump, and fines collected from a number of them will actually pay for the investigation. A very good result.

A report published by CBS News on Saturday read like one of Donald Trump’s favorite talking points against Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation. “Mueller’s Russia probe has cost more than $25 million,” its headline announced. Reports in Politico and Reuters made the same claim.

But the stories omitted a key detail: thanks to fines and asset forfeitures, the investigation has netted more than that total.
At a reported cost of $25 million, Mueller probe has paid for itself

On the other hand, the years-long "investigations" of Hillary Clinton came up with exactly zero crimes to show for the many millions republicans spent on that snipe hunt. It was amusing, at the end of the Gowdy inquisition, to watch him dance around the subject when the press asked him what he had to show for it all.

But I like your idea. You with me on demanding the republicans pay us back for blowing all that money on a failed inquisition?

Giving Trump another term would be quite reasonable too

If he loses in November, he'll probably be given a number of terms after his trials. Be patient.

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

And finally a BLM organizer apparently spray-painted a police car.

So the take-away is that right-wing demonstrators get out of line by killing police officers and burning buildings, while BLM demonstrators get out of line by spraypainting police cars and chalking sidewalks and roads.

Which pretty much fits the profile most of us have of the two groups.

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

Backlit said:
Democrats' Election Plans Are Far More Radical Than The Media Will Say

Trump admits the republican rationale for voter suppression:

Donald Trump has admitted that proposed measures to make it easier for Americans to vote - including mail-voting - would make it harder for the Republican party to win an election.

The comments came as the president discussed the coronavirus stimulus bill passed by the House of Representatives, and signed on Friday, providing a $2tn (£1.7tn) stimulus to Americans.

Democrats had attempted to include $4bn worth of measures to safeguard November’s presidential election, with specific provisions for mail and absentee ballots as well as online and same-day voter registration, and expanding early voting by 15 days.

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” said Mr Trump during an interview on Fox & Friends.
Trump says Republicans would never win election again if it was easier to vote

Seems to me, a better plan would be to become the kind of party Americans would trust to govern.

Renniks · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
But you can't show even one to be a BLM member? That's pretty good clue for you, isn't it?

On the other hand, police have caught and identified numerous right-wing terrorists who have killed police officers, committed acts of vandalism, and tried to incite riots. Either BLM members are a whole lot smarter than right-wingers (which I admit does have considerable evidence to support it) or your imagination got it completely wrong.

One of those. Wait... you finally found a case?

Arrested for chalking words on the road? Well, that's almost as bad as white nationalists killing police officers, isn't it? (WFTH-I) But at least you guys are now on the board.

Lol, I like how you ignored the other one entirely...tells me all I need to know about you.
Did you see the video from the antifa girl telling people to quit posting video of rioters?

Of course not.

Pittsburgh Police have arrested dozens of BLM protesters over the past few months, including prominent organizers, and they don’t seem to be slowing down

Renniks · Aug 5, 2020

40 people arrested in Austin during weekend protests

Multiple people arrested at violent police reform protest in Cottonwood Heights

Greenville police: 5 arrests made during Saturday's protests at Confederate monument in Greenville cemetery

UPDATE: Four arrested during Black Lives Matter protest in Tucson

40 arrested during weekend protests in Austin | KXAN Austin

Renniks · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
And finally a BLM organizer apparently spray-painted a police car.

So the take-away is that right-wing demonstrators get out of line by killing police officers and burning buildings, while BLM demonstrators get out of line by spraypainting police cars and chalking sidewalks and roads.

Which pretty much fits the profile most of us have of the two groups.

So the black people pulling people out of cars and beating them are right wingers?
Woman dragged from her car and beaten, 18 arrested during weekend protests

Protesters turned on man in car

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

And finally a BLM organizer apparently spray-painted a police car.

So the take-away is that right-wing demonstrators get out of line by killing police officers and burning buildings, while BLM demonstrators get out of line by spraypainting police cars and chalking sidewalks and roads.

Which pretty much fits the profile most of us have of the two groups.

Renniks said:
So the black people pulling people out of cars and beating them are right wingers?

Fits the profile, of the radical right, doesn't it? I'd be pleased to see your evidence that they were BLM members. What do you have?

A photo has gone viral showing a group of mostly black men linked arms to protect a lone Louisville Metro police officer who was separated from his unit when protests turned violent in the city last week in response to the deaths of Breonna Taylor and George Floyd.

The white officer, shown wearing a helmet, face shield, and bulletproof vest, stood in front of Bearno’s By-the-Bridge, a pizza chain restaurant near the Second Street Bridge and the Yum Center.

A group of men, reportedly the initial protest organizers, wore face masks and linked arms to prevent other members of the crowd from reaching the officer while he waited for his squad to return, the Louisville Courier-Journal reported.
Viral photo shows Louisville cop protected by black protesters when separated from squad during riot

Right wing protestors?

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover: prosecutors
“Boogaloo boy” killed officer, used BLM protest as cover: prosecutors

That pretty much sums up the difference between right-wing terrorists and BLM, as the FBI has found:

June 11, 2020
FBI memo says white supremacists, racist terrorists are now greatest domestic violence threat
FBI memo says white supremacists, racist terrorists are now greatest domestic violence threat

Things like the above are why they know it. Home-grown right wing terrorists are killing more people, including police, committing more vandalism,and present a much greater threat to America than left-wing terrorists.

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

Renniks said:
Lol, I like how you ignored the other one entirely...tells me all I need to know about you.

From your link:
It’s true that threats don’t always lead to arrests, and one publicized death threat that occurred recently in Shaler Township apparently has yet to produce any charges. On July 25, a man was caught on video shouting “kill transgenders” repeatedly at a BLM demonstration that took place outside of Shaler Area Middle School.

But BLM says:
We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

I assume you never read it, or you'd probably never have linked it... but if you did, it tells me all I need to know about you.

Giuliano · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
Trump admits the republican rationale for voter suppression:

Donald Trump has admitted that proposed measures to make it easier for Americans to vote - including mail-voting - would make it harder for the Republican party to win an election.

The comments came as the president discussed the coronavirus stimulus bill passed by the House of Representatives, and signed on Friday, providing a $2tn (£1.7tn) stimulus to Americans.

Democrats had attempted to include $4bn worth of measures to safeguard November’s presidential election, with specific provisions for mail and absentee ballots as well as online and same-day voter registration, and expanding early voting by 15 days.

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” said Mr Trump during an interview on Fox & Friends.
Trump says Republicans would never win election again if it was easier to vote

Seems to me, a better plan would be to become the kind of party Americans would trust to govern.

The list of states Republicans are going after is quite interesting. I found it also interesting when Trump brought up Nevada specifically. Biden is currently ahead in Nevada by an average of 4%; but 7.4% of the people polled remain undecided. That means Nevada is still in question even if everyone got to vote. If Trump could get 5% of the undecideds to vote for him, he could win there. If Republican could suppress the turnout among Hispanics and blacks, I think he most definitely could win there. He could win in other swing states too if the votes of Hispanics and blacks could be suppressed. There's already concern about how minorities are affected by the virus; and playing on that fear probably would keep many people at home if they had to choose between voting in person or risking infection.

Trump And The RNC Are Currently Trying To Limit Voting Access In 17 States

Of the 17 states where Republicans are actively trying to make it harder for folks to vote, nearly half of them are battleground states that could very well decide the election in November.

According to the RNC website, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, Iowa, North Carolina and Nevada are places where Trump and the GOP are currently fighting to limit access to voting.

All of this points to one obvious conclusion: Donald Trump knows he’s losing this election to Joe Biden, so he’s teaming up with the RNC to steal it.

Trump could win in some of those states if minority voters could be suppressed. Biden is ahead in all those states except Iowa; but he could win the election if he won in all those states. By the figures on my spreadsheet, he'd wind up with 292 electoral votes to Biden's 246.

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

Giuliano said:
Trump could win in some of those states if minority voters could be suppressed. Biden is ahead in all those states except Iowa; but he could win the election if he won in all those states. By the figures on my spreadsheet, he'd wind up with 292 electoral votes to Biden's 246.

To give you some idea of how things are changing over the last month and a half, here's the "no tossups" maps from that time from Real Clear Politics:

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

Biden, in the last 2 months, has picked up Ohio and North Carolina, but now it looks as though the balance is getting baked in for the swing states.

Giuliano · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
Biden, in the last 2 months, has picked up Ohio and North Carolina, but now it looks as though the balance is getting baked in for the swing states.

Iowa, Texas and Georgia may slip away too if the Trump campaign doesn't find its bearings. Why isn't Kellyanne Conway running the campaign? I can't figure that out. She did a good job for Trump last time. Why pick dubious people to head his campaign this time? Why waste money running ads in DC when Trump doesn't stand a ghost of a chance there? Someone said it was to make Trump feel good when he saw them on Fox News.

Trump Is Spending on Ads in D.C. Market, Again: Campaign Update

The president’s campaign has booked $38,000 worth of ad time on Fox News Channel in the Washington, D.C., market starting Monday, according to the advertising firm Medium Buying.

Although Trump has little chance of capturing the District’s three electoral votes -- he got 4.1% of the vote in 2016 -- he’s spent more than $600,000 on ads there this year, according to Advertising Analytics.

I think maybe Conway was offered the job but turned it down, not wanting to go through a senseless campaign focusing on soothing Trump's ego instead of tackling things that needed done.

The Trump campaign scoffed at Texas going blue -- but then Trump did visit Texas. He's ahead there by less than 1%. "Quick, suppress the vote! We don't know an honest way to win Texas." He's still ahead in Iowa and Georgia too, but with less than 2%. Both states have a fairly big "undecided" voters. Then there's Alaska where Trump insulted the Republican Senator. He has a 3% lead there but with 7% undecided, he could lose there too. If anyone had told me four years ago that Texas and Alaska could be close to going blue in this election, I wouldn't have believed it; but I can believe it after seeing how Trump has been wrecking the Republican Party for over three years.

Yehren · Aug 5, 2020

Giuliano said:
If anyone had told me four years ago that Texas and Alaska could be close to going blue in this election, I wouldn't have believed it; but I can believe it after seeing how Trump has been wrecking the Republican Party for over three years.

I think George Will has it right. The GOP needs a real disaster at the ballot box, to return to Reagan republicanism. And a lot of conservative republicans are now doing whatever they can to make it happen.

Longtime conservative commentator and columnist George Will says voters must do more than reject President Donald Trump in November. They need to vote against his Republican “enablers” too ― especially in the Senate.

In a column published in The Washington Post, Will talked about how Trump once urged police not to be “too nice” when making an arrest.

“His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement,” Will wrote, referring to the police killing of George Floyd, a Black man whose death set off a wave of protests and unrest around the nation.

Will, who quit the Republican Party in 2016 when it became clear Trump would be the party’s candidate, said the underlying problems behind the nation’s unrest predate this presidency and will still be with us when he’s gone.

“The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal,” Will wrote.

But one measure should be the removal of Trump’s supporters in Congress who “still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.” And for those who think Trump might have reached rock bottom, Will warned that there was no such thing with this president.

“So, assume that the worst is yet to come,” Will wrote.
Conservative Icon George Will Urges Nov. Sweep: Vote Out Trump, All GOP Enablers

Grailhunter · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
We continue to hear about violence, but so far, when the perps are actually caught, they are rightwing terrorists who are killing police, vandalizing property, and inciting riots.

There's a good reason for that.

Would you burst into flames if you told the truth?

Grailhunter · Aug 5, 2020

Giuliano said:
More empty chatter. Do you have any facts you want to discuss or do you just want to talk about the "wickedness" of Democrats?

The fact that they promote some crazy form of communism is enough for me.
Then there is the fact that they really have no use for the good citizens of this country, always with the criminals and illegal aliens.
Siding with the domestic terrorists and anarchist....to the point they pretend that violent, destructive, looting, assaulting, murders are not happening. The only people that I know that can be this far out of reality are drug users.
They won't hardly touch a flag and would probably burst into flames if they touched a Bible.

They want to reduce the security of our voting system to that of a third world country. Strangely enough mail in voting has been going on for quite sometime, which explains how Obama got elected twice and why they were so surprised that Hilary lost. It had worked twice before so they were shocked.

Giuliano · Aug 5, 2020

Yehren said:
Will, who quit the Republican Party in 2016 when it became clear Trump would be the party’s candidate, said the underlying problems behind the nation’s unrest predate this presidency and will still be with us when he’s gone.

I did not know Will left the Republican Party when it was clear Trump would be their nominee. I did the same thing. I also agree with him about needing to get rid of Trump's enablers. They made him worse, leading him to think he could do whatever he liked. In a way, maybe they're more to blame than he is.

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