Judas' Fate
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Judas hung Himself as Matthew truthfully proclaims.
Acts only records when His already dead body after some decay fell from the tree. Because his body was already in a state of advanced decay when it hit the ground it burst open.
The energy required to burst a body open like that is far less when it is already decayed then if the person was alive during the fall. If you think about the area and the buildings of the time it is doubtful there would be any cliff or building high enough in and around Jerusalem for a man to jump of and have his abdomen burst open upon impact with the ground. In fact many deaths caused by failing pursuits in modern times, while resulting in death, have not caused the body of the parachutist to burst open upon impact.
Judas hanged himself on a Sabbath and that made his body a curse and it is understandable that no one would come to take his body down from the tree on which he hung himself. So they left him there hanging in the tree and used the money to buy the field. It was still his money so the field became his property even in death.
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Acts only records when His already dead body after some decay fell from the tree. Because his body was already in a state of advanced decay when it hit the ground it burst open.
The energy required to burst a body open like that is far less when it is already decayed then if the person was alive during the fall. If you think about the area and the buildings of the time it is doubtful there would be any cliff or building high enough in and around Jerusalem for a man to jump of and have his abdomen burst open upon impact with the ground. In fact many deaths caused by failing pursuits in modern times, while resulting in death, have not caused the body of the parachutist to burst open upon impact.
Judas hanged himself on a Sabbath and that made his body a curse and it is understandable that no one would come to take his body down from the tree on which he hung himself. So they left him there hanging in the tree and used the money to buy the field. It was still his money so the field became his property even in death.
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Well, you can't say that for sure Paul. Well, you can say that for sure I guess, but that puts you in the whack job catagory. You still haven't answered the question why Jesus said it was better if Judas had never been born.
You and your buddy Hammerstone are both slightly whacked as a matter of fact. You think you know for sure that Judas will be in heaven and Hammerstone thinks that hell is only temporary despite enormous evidence in the Bible that it is a place that has no end. But, I don't doubt for a minute that you are both Christians.
Selene
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Actually, there is a discrepency between Acts and Matthew. Acts 1:18 says that Judas bought the land using the money paid to him for his betrayal and he committed suicide by falling. Matthew 27:5 says that Judas threw the money that was paid to him for his betrayal and then he went and hung himself. It was the chief priests who bought the field in which Judas killed himself. There are two discrepencies. Matthew records the chief priests as buying the land with the blood money and Acts says it was Judas who used the money to buy the land. Then his deaths are also recorded differently.
Potter's field where Judas committed suicide is called the Valley of Hinnon The Hinnom Valley is a deep, narrow ravine located in Jerusalum running south from the Jaffa Gate on the west side of the Old City, then eastward along the south side of Mount Zion (seen in the top of the photograph with the Hinnom Valley below it). I found a picture of where Judas killed himself and included the weblink below the photograph.
http://www.traveljou...res/146325.html
Also, Judas killed himself before Christ was crucified. Judas did not kill himself until after Jesus was condemned (Matthew 27:3-5), which took place before the Sabbath. At any rate, I don't think it mattered how he died since both accounts agree that it was a death by suicide. But whether he is in Heaven or Hell, we don't know. The only thing the Bible says is that Judas went to his own place, and that doesn't say much.
This guy here sure seems to think Judas was NOT saved. I agree with most of his points but not all. It does have a baptist slant to it, but I think it is a good read:
http://www.gnbcbible.com/wasjudassaved.htm
http://www.gnbcbible.com/wasjudassaved.htm
Judas will be judged for not taking this extreme low point in his life (like the prodigal son) and turn to and accept God’s forgiveness. Judas like Peter knew God/Christ would forgive them, but egos/pride get in the way. Judas was given a huge need for repentance and still refused God’s Love that he had seen over the last 3 years.
God is doing all He can to help us to accept His Love in the form of accepting His forgiveness, how much more motivation could god provide to Judas?
IF THINGS DONT GO YOUR W AY, YOU COULD TAKE YOUR TOYS AND GO HOME, PAUL "'LOCK THE THREAD"
Once the chief priests payed the money to Judas it was his money no matter if he threw it back at them and if they used that money to buy the field then the field became the property of the guy hanging there and to any next of kin. So what ever way you look at it. Judas money paid for the land and it was therefore his property. There is however another possibility.
Judas knowing he was about to come to owning the money might have made an agreement with the land owner to purchase the land with it. But once obtaining the silver came to regret it and then threw the silver back. Now being that the silver was blood money the temple could not use it. So maybe the owner of the land came forward with the claim that Judas had made an agreement with him to purchace the land. So then the priests would have handed the money over on behalf of the dead Judas to complete the agreement.
Now i am not saying that’s how it happened but it is a possible scenario that would make both accounts understandable. As far as i am concerned once Judas accepted the silver it became his money no matter if he threw it back into the temple and any land bought from it became the property of Judas. It does not matter if he handed the money over himself or the priests did.
The week of the execution of Jesus had more than one Sabbath. The Passover celebration was itself a Sabbath. Jesus was condemned and Crucified on the day of Passover.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
In a potter's field there are inumerable pieces of jagged, sharp pieces of broken clay pots and earthenware. Whatever was rejected for use or sale ended up in this field. It is entirely likely that Judas, being in a state of extreme remorse and no longer desiring to live after realizing what he had done, botched his attempt at hanging himself, or, shortly after struggling in the noose, fell among the shards and got sliced open on them. In which case, both accounts would render truth, and there would no contradiction.
I would ask if any one can give an account where Satan enters into a man, as he did in the case of Judas?
It is the operation of his minions, devils, or diabolos, not Satan, to possess humans, and his direct entrance into a human being must be significant. It was for certain Judas had to fulfill the Scriptures, and I truly doubt that, although he was a thief, a traitor was not something he considered.
I believe it took the indwelling of the Adversary himself to produce the fulfillment, Judas being unable to accomplish his act on his own. After Satan departed Judas came to his own senses once again, and having realized what had occurred, determined that his own life must be forfeit. As Paul posted, he repented for certain, of the deed anyhow. And the Chief wicked one had to be placed in him to get him to betray the Lord.
Lk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve
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I would ask if any one can give an account where Satan enters into a man, as he did in the case of Judas?
It is the operation of his minions, devils, or diabolos, not Satan, to possess humans, and his direct entrance into a human being must be significant. It was for certain Judas had to fulfill the Scriptures, and I truly doubt that, although he was a thief, a traitor was not something he considered.
I believe it took the indwelling of the Adversary himself to produce the fulfillment, Judas being unable to accomplish his act on his own. After Satan departed Judas came to his own senses once again, and having realized what had occurred, determined that his own life must be forfeit. As Paul posted, he repented for certain, of the deed anyhow. And the Chief wicked one had to be placed in him to get him to betray the Lord.
Lk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve
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Selene
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This is a very good possibility. Judas may have been so devastated over what he had done that he fumbled with the noose and couldn't tie straight. So, he probably figured that it would be easier to just throw himself into some jagged, sharp clay pots.
The fact that Jesus was the Son of God (and God Himself) probably made Satan want to enter into Judas instead of sending a demon to do it. Satan also entered St. Peter, who was the leader of the Apostles (Matthew 16:23).
adstar and fivesense, your perceived state of judas and his actions are purely unfounded, speculative and non biblical
Thank you Selene for drawing my attention to Peter's situation. I could not think of other instances, and this one is true as well. It would seem that there was a greater grace for Peter though, being able to resist the Adversary, whereas Judas was moved to compulsion in order to fulfill prophecy. Hence the Lord even encouraged his defection and betrayal at the table. A peculiar thing for Him to do, seeing that His concern for the Twelve was one of keeping those whom the Father had given to Him.
Jn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
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Such comments as this do little to advance the truth. If we desire to glorify God and see the Body grow into the fullness of the stature of Christ, we will refrain from offering unnecessary comments that only magnify the flesh of the one who offers it.
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Mercy777
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No opinion on Judas' eternity, but I will let the scripture judge. We know all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Also we know satan is sin and death. He has come to steal, kill and destroy.
Our Lord Jesus conquered sin and death on the cross and by the power of His resurrection. Amen Lord!
Matthew 26:25 Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?" Jesus answered, "Yes, it is you." Jesus kept nothing from Judas, Jesus told him the truth.
Matthew 27:3
When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. Judas was seized with remorse, never said he repented. Repentence is asking God for forgiveness and turning from your sin. Confess with the mouth. Judas did not turn from sin for in the next verse, Judas murdered himself.
Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. Judas did not believe Christ could or would save him.
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. Feast of Unleaven Bread.
John 13:2
The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus.
John 13:27
As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. Satan enters Judas a second time.
Acts 1:18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
Act's 1: [sup]20[/sup]"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
" 'May his place be deserted; Psalm 69:25
let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
" 'May another take his place of leadership.'[sup] Psalm 109:8[/sup] [sup]21[/sup]Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, [sup]22[/sup]beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection." [sup]23[/sup]So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. [sup]24[/sup]Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen [sup]25[/sup]to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs."
Suicide-----Murdering oneself, Hating is also murder, even hating oneself.
[sup]1 Corinthians 3: 17[/sup]If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
Now apparently Judas hung himself, the rope broke and he fell head first and when he hit
(alittle too graphic for me).Looking at this like a detective of sorts.God Bless,
Mercy
Selene
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Hello Mercy,
Don't you think that "remorse" is part of repentance. Remorse means that the person has a deep and painful regret or sorry for their wrongdoing. For a person to repent, he/she must first feel regret for their sin. Scripture shows that Judas felt sorry for what he did, but only God knows whether or not Judas repented at the last second of his life. I think Judas did believe that Christ could and would save him. However, I think Judas was so distraught and devastated over what he had done that he believed he doesn't deserve to be saved.
St. Paul was a murderer of Christians. He killed many Christians, but Christ forgave him. The Bible is unclear on where Judas is. All the Bible says is that Judas went to a place he belongs. This does not really tell us much. As Christians, it is not our place to judge who goes to Hell and who goes to Heaven. Only God can judge. And God can have and show mercy on whomever He wants (Romans 9:15).
In Christ,
Selene
-- I have to go with Selene on this one.
Anything we 'learned' people put forth on this BB would be nothing but pure conjecture. None of us know or will know what is fate ultimately was.
The focus should be on the souls that we CAN impact.
Mercy777
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Hello Selene, thank you for responding.
I am not judging whether Judas is in paradise with Christ or hell. I only gave the scriptures. This is what I spoke in the beginning.
Remembering Judas lived with Christ and experienced first hand all His miracles and Christ himself.
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Do I believe remorse is a kind of repentence, it can be if followed up with the turning of sin. We all have had remorse, however not all of us turn from that sin or sin after, not all of us learn to benefit from the lesson.
Example; What did Paul do after he met Christ on the road and said Paul was persecuting Him, (His people)? Paul believed in the voice he heard and Paul even confessed many times he had murdered God's people and Paul turned from that wicked sin and became the mighty instrument God wanted for his people, especially Gentiles, and Jews also. The devil does not want us to confess openly that we have sin. As long as sin is secret, he has power. When sin is brought out into the open or into light, satan has lost his power over it. Another example, very down to earth; (Oh I better not tell anyone I did this, they may think bad of me. God says it is good to tell and He is the One we want to please, not men.) A brother praying for you is, Two or more gathered in my name and it will be done.
That is why the scriptures says,
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
Very powerful words in this verse.
Another question could be why do we keep doing the same sin over and over. Some sins we lose and some not so easy. Bless the Lord, Paul was immediately released from the bondage he once held. And everything Paul did after his release of bondage was done by the power of Christ.
Also, how can Judas ask for forgiveness after murdering himself? Was the love of Christ in Him? Was Judas living by the Spirit?
The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy and satan had already entered Judas.
Scripture-Jesus the Word makes the judgement.
Thank you so much and God Bless,
Mercy
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