Textual criticism allows us to ascertain what the earliest manuscripts are, their genealogy, their reliability, and their uniformity with other manuscripts. With such a witness, it's somewhat easy to determine the books and texts that were not in the original language, error ridden, glosses, emendations, interpolations, etc... Thus, we have an objective means to assess the antiquity and authenticity of a text.
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The minute that the nonsense began to proceed from their mouths.
You would agree, wouldn't you?
Key word 'visible'. There is no such thing. Every man comes before God on his own, absolutely no human will be able to intercede on anyone's behalf. Therefore, one's church, one's congregation, one's open confessions or crucifix around their neck, will never reveal their standing with God. Churches do not save, no matter the antiquity, size, popularity nor wealth. Christ established his Church on earth, via the Apostles, but there is absolutely no one but God the Father, who knows exactly who's name is written in the Book of Life, or not. There is no authentic visible Christian Church on earth, it is invisible and diversified.
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There is no such thing as a visible church????
Soooo when Jesus "upon this rock I will build my church"....that church he spoke of is invisible? He gave us a church but we can't see it?????????
The church that is the "pillar and foundation of truth" is invisible?
We are to take our differences to "the church" so the church can decide who is right and who is to be treated as a pagan and tax collector. How can we take our differences to an invisible church???
Your theory makes no sense.....
I'm sorry Marymog, I must have you confused with another Marymog who I've been having a discussion with on the 'Apostolic councils' thread. Funny thing, you both have the same avatar too?
Was it not you who posed this initial question?,
'You didn't answer the question: According to your theory, When did the Christian man stop being taught the Truth? (or stop teaching the Truth)'?
That's the man that I am talking about?
So, what does the Church look like, and who's part of it's body? Can you point either of them out to someone, with 100% certitude?There is no such thing as a visible church????
Soooo when Jesus "upon this rock I will build my church"....that church he spoke of is invisible? He gave us a church but we can't see it?????????
The church that is the "pillar and foundation of truth" is invisible?
We are to take our differences to "the church" so the church can decide who is right and who is to be treated as a pagan and tax collector. How can we take our differences to an invisible church???
Your theory makes no sense.....
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I guess I would know what YOU mean by "looks like"!!
Assuming I know what YOU mean by that The Church looks like what Christ established: The Church has a hierarchy with the 12 Apostles as that initial hierarchy. The 12 then chose other faithful men to teach what they were taught who then chose other faithful men to teach what they were taught etc etc for 2,000 years so that the True teaching of Christ will live forever. I say that with 100% certitude.
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No - I gave a percentage, as history does.
I didn't say WHO was literate.
Pay attention . . .
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your responses make no sense at all. so now the church couldnt read? its amusing watching you try to dig out of the holes you make.
in the end the fact still stands, the bible was not available to the common people. the church had the bibles and the church could have made them available, they chose not to. if they could read or not is not relevant. you could still have a bible in french, send it to a french town, and one person (surely one person in town could read) could have taught the others how to read.
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i didnt ask if it was in any canon, i asked if it was scripture. its not in any Jewish canon but Jews do not view Enoch as a NON scripture book.
I'll have to go back over things as it has been a little while since I last looked into this subject. Being such a critical one, I need to make sure I got it right.
The men that you are giving all the implied authority to? The one's that you feel were handed the keys through apostolic succession. The one that you feel sits as the vicar of christ, and is infallible via ex-cathedra, etc... Those one's Marymog, the people that we have been talking about for the last 10 posts? ..I'm sorry, did I happen to land on another thread by mistake?Love the unnecessary sarcasm
So who's mouth did the nonsense come from?
Point them out to me, I want names and locations Mary. You said the Church was visible, I said it's not, all you did was theorize about apostolic succession. I'm asking for visible and tangible proof that such men of apostolic authority and power still exist today, and that you can point me to a Church where you believe that all the members are saved, with 100% certitude.
I withdraw my statement regarding the removal of Enoch by a pope and a Roman emperor. I cannot find the basis for my claim.
...earth to BOL, earth to BOL, come in BOL, ...Houston, I think we have a problem?
It was the pope who condemned Wycliffe (posthumously) for his translation of the English Bible, and this was the principle that Henry VIII acted upon.
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Oh goodness.....once again, unnecessary sarcasm!!!!
Soooooo we know which men I am talking about; Any man in history from the death of the last Apostle until today that teaches what The Church teaches is.....according to you.......is speaking (teaching) nonsense!!! We have already established that is what you believe.
Soooooo there have been hundreds of other men with hundreds of contradicting teachings that have had nonsense come out of their mouths over the last 1,900 years.
Sooooo lets try this again: Who’s mouth has the nonsense come from? (Exclude anyone that teaches what The Church teaches)
Patient Mary
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