Mystery, Babylon The Great

whirlwind · Jan 24, 2011

bud02 said:
And who controlled Jerusalem at the time of Christ?

The literal city of Jerusalem is symbolic of us, His holy city, believers. For instance....

Isaiah 60:13-14 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of My sanctuary; and I will make the place of My feet glorious. The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

As Biblical trees, such as the fir, pine, olive, palm, etc. are symbolic of people...Jerusalem is us, His holy city is us.

Isaiah 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

So asking about who controlled Jerusalem in the time of Christ is relevant but I think we should expand that to who controls Jerusalem/us now, today? Do we allow the world to influence us...the world being shown as Egypt and Sodom, worldly lusts and wickedness? Or, have we "come out of her My people?"

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whirlwind · Jan 24, 2011

whirlwind said:
I am given to understand that the "two candlesticks/churches" are Smyrna and Philadelphia. As they represent many people so do the two olive trees for they are the wild and natural olive...Gentile and Israel in the house of the Lord.

Psalm 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

Jeremiah 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult He hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

When I first understood that the two witnesses meant two groups was when I saw that there were two olive trees and two candlesticks....so already four were mentioned. It couldn't literally be two entities. Then I saw the verses about churches being candlesticks, etc.

As for the dead bodies....they are the dead bodies of our old man....already laying in the streets of the world Veteran. We have died to self for we are His....

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

The world sees us, sees that Christ dwells in us, walks in us, sees that we are His and they can't "suffer" us to be put in graves. Why? Because we live, both physically and spiritually. Our old man is crucified but we live.

Revelation 11:8-9 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

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I wanted to add another thought to this. In the above, two things, two types of figurative deaths are brought forward.

1. We are crucified with Him
2. We are slain.

In a way, they are the same. As Christ, The Firstfruit, allowed Himself to be crucified, to be slain...

Matthew 26:53-54 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He shall presently give Me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

We, if we are His firstfruits, are to also be slain but it is figurative...(remember, He took the stripes!). But, we do so knowingly, willingly:

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

We allow ourselves to be crucified, slain by those under Satan's influence, those we are to forgive....

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

We are crucified with Him and it is voluntary. We allow them to slay us in the streets of the world as we teach, as they laugh, as they scoff, as they say "your doctrine is straight from the pits of hell," ( I bet you've heard that one before

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veteran · Feb 11, 2011

whirlwind said:
I am given to understand that the "two candlesticks/churches" are Smyrna and Philadelphia. As they represent many people so do the two olive trees for they are the wild and natural olive...Gentile and Israel in the house of the Lord.

whirlwind said:
Psalm 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

Jeremiah 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult He hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

When I first understood that the two witnesses meant two groups was when I saw that there were two olive trees and two candlesticks....so already four were mentioned. It couldn't literally be two entities. Then I saw the verses about churches being candlesticks, etc.

The two olive trees is a specific number per Zechariah 4. But the two candlesticks do represent two Churches.

Zech 4:2-3
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
(KJV)

Rev 11:4
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(KJV)

Thus the prophecy about two specific individuals coming to prophesy in last days Jerusalem will be a literal event. It is not a mystical metaphor. It is a literal prophecy, and has not begun yet today.

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