The Last Supper 2021

Webers_Home · Mar 4, 2021

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Passover this year begins at sunset on the 27th of March; which is a
Saturday, viz: the pesach lamb is supposed to be dedicated, slain, and
roasted with fire Saturday afternoon in preparation for dinner that night in
accord with Ex 12:1-21.

This year's Passover is interesting because the beginning coincides with the
end of the weekly sabbath; so pious Jews will have to observe two
consecutive holy days this year seeing as how Passover itself is a holy day
(Ex 12:16 & Lev 23:5-8) and that's regardless of which day of the week it
falls on. In other words; the day of the routine weekly sabbath is pinned to
Saturday while Passover's special day floats.

FYI: Other floating holy days are Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets
which are themselves specifically categorized as sabbaths (Lev 16:29-34 &
Lev 23:23-25) implying that any holy day whereupon no work is allowed,
regardless of its position in the week, is observed the same as a normal
sabbath day. It is very essential to keep this in mind in order to avoid
making a mistake when charting the chronology of Christ's crucifixion and
resurrection.

Jesus ate his last pesach the night of his arrest (Matt 26:17-20, Mark 14:12
17, and Luke 22:7-15) whereas the Jews ate their own pesach after Jesus
was dead and buried. (John 13:1-2, John 18:28-29, John 19:13-14, and
John 19:31)

In other words: Jesus ate his own pesach early, i.e. one night ahead of the
Jews' night.

So then seeing as how the Jews are supposed to eat their pesach Saturday
night this year; then Jesus, were he to be crucified in 2021, would be eating
his last supper Friday night and then crucified and buried Saturday afternoon
prior to sunset. In other words: Jesus would be spending his first of three
nights in the tomb while the Jews are at home processing their Seders.
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Jay Ross · Mar 4, 2021

Hello,

But Christ died for our sins nearly 2,000 years ago, and that is what we are to remember.

We cannot put Christ to death each and every year.

We are to remember Him through the taking of His elements every time that we meet together.

Shalom

tsr · Mar 4, 2021

He loved us so much that he laid down his life for us. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). This is something we should never forget. Jesus gave his life for sinners.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 5, 2021

Webers_Home said:
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Passover this year begins at sunset on the 27th of March; which is a
Saturday, viz: the pesach lamb is supposed to be dedicated, slain, and
roasted with fire Saturday afternoon in preparation for dinner that night in
accord with Ex 12:1-21.

This year's Passover is interesting because the beginning coincides with the
end of the weekly sabbath; so pious Jews will have to observe two
consecutive holy days this year seeing as how Passover itself is a holy day
(Ex 12:16 & Lev 23:5-8) and that's regardless of which day of the week it
falls on. In other words; the day of the routine weekly sabbath is pinned to
Saturday while Passover's special day floats.

FYI: Other floating holy days are Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets
which are themselves specifically categorized as sabbaths (Lev 16:29-34 &
Lev 23:23-25) implying that any holy day whereupon no work is allowed,
regardless of its position in the week, is observed the same as a normal
sabbath day. It is very essential to keep this in mind in order to avoid
making a mistake when charting the chronology of Christ's crucifixion and
resurrection.

Jesus ate his last pesach the night of his arrest (Matt 26:17-20, Mark 14:12
17, and Luke 22:7-15) whereas the Jews ate their own pesach after Jesus
was dead and buried. (John 13:1-2, John 18:28-29, John 19:13-14, and
John 19:31)

In other words: Jesus ate his own pesach early, i.e. one night ahead of the
Jews' night.

So then seeing as how the Jews are supposed to eat their pesach Saturday
night this year; then Jesus, were he to be crucified in 2021, would be eating
his last supper Friday night and then crucified and buried Saturday afternoon
prior to sunset. In other words: Jesus would be spending his first of three
nights in the tomb while the Jews are at home processing their Seders.
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A flawlessly factless post.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 5, 2021

Jay Ross said:
But Christ died for our sins nearly 2,000 years ago, and that is what we are to remember.

We cannot put Christ to death each and every year.

We are to remember Him through the taking of His elements every time that we meet together.

A flawlessly senseless post.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 5, 2021

tsr said:
He loved us so much that he laid down his life for us. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). This is something we should never forget. Jesus gave his life for sinners.

A flawlessly irrelevant post.

Webers_Home · Mar 5, 2021

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GerhardEbersoehn said:
A flawlessly factless post.

"Faith is believin' somethin' that ain't so" (Mark Twain)

Every so often I get asked how I know that my religion is right. My answer
is: I don't know if it's right. Then of course they want to know why it is that I
believe in my religion when I don't know whether it's right.

That's a reasonable inquiry. So I tell them, in so many words, that though I
don't know if my religion is right, I cannot shake the conviction that it is;
therefore I speak of my religion as factual even though I cannot prove
beyond a hint of sensible doubt that it is.

Why does anybody believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
answer? Because it grips their heart-- the core of their being --which is very
different than persuading someone with logic and reasoning.

People brought into a religion by logic and reasoning can be taken away by
logic and reasoning. But someone whose heart is gripped by their religion, is
not so easily removed regardless of how strong the opposition's argument.

For example: back in the early 1980s,I attended a special class called "How
To Witness To Jehovah's Witnesses" taught by a lecturer who had been in
that system for nearly three decades.

The man didn't train us to hammer JWs in a debate because even if you best
them scripture for scripture, they will not give up their trust in the
Watchtower Society. Their mind's unflinching premise is that the Society is
right even when it appears to be totally wrong. They are thoroughly
convinced down deep in the very core of their being that the Society is the
voice of God, while the oppositions' voices have no more validity than that of
a squeaky little gerbil. Fair enough.

I encountered that very attitude with a Catholic woman on the old Beliefnet
forums. The woman admitted that she was unable to refute my arguments;
but nevertheless, I am an obscure nobody rather than an authority
recognized by The Church so she didn't have to listen to me. Again: fair
enough; and no apology needed.
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Webers_Home · Mar 6, 2021

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Webers_Home said:
Jesus ate his own pesach early, i.e. one night ahead of the Jews' night.

Working with that information makes it really easy to chart Jesus' three
nights in the tomb for the year 2021 in accord with Matt 12:40.

This year Jesus would eat his last supper on Friday night March 26, wherein
he would also be arrested; and then next day Saturday March 27 stand trial,
be executed, and laid to rest.

So his three nights in the tomb for the year 2021 would be Saturday night,
Sunday night, and Monday night; with his resurrection taking place early
Tuesday morning.

FYI: I've deliberately limited my chart to the three nights Jesus predicted in
Matt 12:40 in order to avoid controversy over the placement of the three
days.

NOTE: I highly recommend avoiding the impulse to force 24-hour days into
the narrative; and instead just let days be when the sun is up and nights be
when the sun is down, in accord with John 11:9-10.
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Webers_Home · Mar 8, 2021

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Webers_Home said:
I highly recommend avoiding the impulse to force 24-hour days into the
narrative; and instead just let days be when the Sun is up and nights be
when the Sun is down.

Seeing as how Jesus actually lived in the land of Israel those many years
ago, then it is my opinion that he is better qualified to define the hours of
day and night back then in his era than anyone in ours.

According to him: days were when the Sun is up, and nights were when the
Sun is down.

• John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in
the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if
anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun.

FYI: In the very beginning, God made a distinct difference between night
and day on Earth; so that His day on Earth is not a 24-hour amalgam of light
and dark; rather, His day on Earth is when the Sun is up, and His night on
Earth is when the Sun is down.

• Gen 1:4-5 . . God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the
light day, and the darkness he called night.

• Gen 1:14 . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heaven to divide the day from the night

• Gen 1:16 . .And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the
day, and the lesser light to rule the night.

• Gen 1:17-18 . . And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to
divide the light from the darkness.

If only people kept those God-given physical characteristics in mind when
working with the days and nights related to Matt 12:40, their calculations
would be greatly simplified.
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Philip James · Mar 8, 2021

Webers_Home said:
In other words: Jesus ate his own pesach early, i.e. one night

Hello Weber's,

I submit that Jesus did NOT eat the passover early but at exactly the time prescribed by Moses.

Further, that the slaughtering of the Lamb occured precisely here:
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You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then, with the whole assembly of Israel present, it shall be slaughtered during the evening twilight.

It is precisely this hour 'during the evening twilight' that is being referenced here:

When the hour came, he took his place at table with the apostles.

Peace be with you!

Webers_Home · Mar 9, 2021

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Philip James said:
I submit that Jesus did NOT eat the passover early but at exactly the time
prescribed by Moses.

I fully agree that Jesus ate his own Passover right on time. He, being a
prophet and in direct contact with God at all times, would know the correct
night, i.e. Jesus was privy to information not readily available to the Jews.

*I suspect that the official religious calendar has been off many times in the
past without the Jews knowing it.
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Webers_Home · Mar 9, 2021

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Webers_Home said:
I've deliberately limited my chart to the three nights Jesus predicted in
Matt 12:40 in order to avoid controversy over the placement of the three
Days.

Some of the controversy is related to one side of the aisle insisting that
portions of a day count as a day, whereas the other side of the aisle insists
that in order for a day to count as a day, it has to be a whole day.

A preponderance of textual evidence strongly suggests that Jesus Christ's
crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather than the
end of the day.

• Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

• Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

• Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

• Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

• Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

• Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

• Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

• 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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Webers_Home · Mar 10, 2021

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The day that Jesus was crucified coincides with preparation day (John 18:28
& John 19:14) which is the day during which pious Jews prepare for their
Seder in accord with instructions per the 12th chapter of Exodus. That's the
day when Passover's lambs are slain; but it's not till after sundown that the
ritual is finalized by they're consumption.

So then, I do not recommend counting preparation day as one of the three
days that Jesus predicted per Matt 12:40 because the Jews' preparation day
was the day of his own preparation when he too was slain along with all the
other lambs, viz: Jesus didn't become our Seder per 1Cor 5:7 till after
sundown.

FAQ: If the ritual isn't finalized till the lambs are consumed: then how does
one finalize Jesus as a Passover? By cannibalizing his remains?

A: Well; the difficulty with cannibalizing Jesus' remains is that there are no
remains. His dead crucified body was restored to life; and yet according to
portions of the sixth chapter of John's gospel, Jesus' flesh must be eaten if
people are to have any hope at all of escaping the sum of all fears.
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Philip James · Mar 10, 2021

Webers_Home said:
FAQ: If the ritual isn't finalized till the lambs are consumed: then how does
one finalize Jesus as a Passover? By cannibalizing his remains?

The Lamb WAS consumed..

This is my body, take and eat..

Peace be with you!

Webers_Home · Mar 11, 2021

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Philip James said:
The Lamb WAS consumed..

This is my body, take and eat..

It's required that Passover lambs have to be slain before they're eaten.
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Philip James · Mar 12, 2021

Webers_Home said:
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It's required that Passover lambs have to be slain before they're eaten.
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Dear Webers,

maybe you missed my point.. The Lamb was slain, at the time proscribed by Moses, in front of the whole house of Israel...

'you are a priest forever in the order of Melchizadek'

This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace!

Webers_Home · Mar 12, 2021

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Philip James said:
The Lamb WAS consumed..

This is my body, take and eat..

According to the 12th chapter of Exodus, it's required that Passover lambs
be slain before they're eaten. When Jesus instituted the bread and wine
during his last supper in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, he had not yet been
crucified.
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Philip James · Mar 12, 2021

Webers_Home said:
it's required that Passover lambs
be slain before they're eaten

What is 'before' when we're talking about eternal realities?

What is 'before' to God?

the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Peace be with you!

Webers_Home · Mar 12, 2021

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Philip James said:
the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In other words; Jesus' rendezvous with the cross was scheduled prior to the
creation of even one atom towards the construction of the cosmos.

• Mic 5:2 . . But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the
thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be
ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

However, his actual death didn't take place in real time till relatively recent.

• John 12:27 . . Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save
me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

• 1Pet 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you
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Philip James · Mar 12, 2021

Webers_Home said:
However, his actual death didn't take place in real time till relatively recent.

Agreed, that Jesus death occurred at a unique point in space and time... on the cross at Calvary...

Indeed Jesus offers that ONE sacrifice of Himself as the Paschal sacrifice at the institution of the Eucharist.

It is there, in the form of bread and wine (the priesthood of Melchizadek), that He offers Himself to our Father as a ransom for His bride...
Then He gives Himself to her, uniting her with Himself...

If you want a better understanding of what I'm talking about, I found this site lays it out pretty clearly:
the sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice – Catholic Strength

"The time-transcendent dimension of Jesus’ unique and unrepeatable sacrificial death on Good Friday is such that he is referred to as “the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world” (Revelation 13:8). Dr. Scott Hahn comments: “The Mass is the ‘once for all,’ perfect sacrifice of Calvary, which is presented on heaven’s altar for all eternity. It is not a ‘repeat performance.’ There is only one sacrifice; it is perpetual and eternal, and so it needs never be repeated. Yet the Mass is our participation in that one sacrifice and in the eternal life of the Trinity in heaven, where the Lamb stands eternally “as if slain’ (Rev. 5:6).” It is in this light that Jesus could institute the Holy Eucharist on Holy Thursday as the true memorial and making present of his sacrificial death which would be historically consummated the following day, Good Friday. “The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice” (CCC 1367)."

Peace!

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