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My point though, immortality is connected with the TOL. Both Genesis 3:22 and Revelation 22:2 undeniably prove it. No human cast into the LOF is going to be eating from the TOL, let alone eating from it for forever. ECT in regards to humans is not logical unless they live forever. Look what...

You then want us to believe that Adam could have died without even eating from the forbidden tree first? Here is how I connect some of the dots. Might not be how others might, but it's how I do. And that I'm not seeing it leading to anything illogical by connecting the dots in this manner...

The way that sounds, it sounds like you are denying that Adam will be raised from the dead someday. Obviously, if he is raised from the dead someday, this equals he didn't die forever, where I'm taking that to mean remaining dead forever. Surely then, or at least hopefully, you weren't meaning...

The way I look at it is like this. Maybe it will make sense to you or maybe it won't. Or maybe it's basically the same thing you are attempting to convey? Adam and Eve initially possessed conditional immortality. Clearly, before the fall they were in an immortal state of existence. It would be...

Excellent point about those that insist the servants are the reapers, the angels. But even when one demonstrates how absurd that is, such as you clearly did here, still, these same ones will continue to insist the servants are the reapers, the angels, regardless. It's as if something that is...

You do not get it. The judgment only involves those that claim a personal relationship with Christ. Unbelieving Jews, for example, can't remotely claim a personal relationship with Christ, as in, He is their Lord, He is their Savior. Nor can unrepentant atheists, etc. Nor can someone such as...

Ignore what all I said about Revelation 20:9 and Revelation 19:20, since I now see it has no relevance to your view. If nothing else, as of this post I am at least finally beginning to understand your position, I think. What I have to question first is your understanding of Adam's state when he...

If one is taking the tares to mean all the lost in general, it is absurd to then insist tares can't be saved. Per that scenario, of course they can be saved. Yet it makes nonsense out of the parable by viewing it in that manner. It is not until the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit...

You clearly said no except you actually meant yes, yes tares can be saved. How do I know you meant yes? Simple. You have the tares meaning all the lost in general and that you wouldn't dare propose that none of the lost can be saved, since that would contradict that you were lost before you were...

Speaking for myself, there is no gap after the tribulation of those days and the beginning of what verse 29 is involving. Yet there is gap between what verse 29 is involving and what verse 30 is involving. And what I personally think fits in that gap is the day of Lord and the fulfilling of the...

One way to find out if you really meant yes even though you said no, is if you insist the tares are meaning all of the lost rather than someone more specific, such as the fake Christians in the body of Christ. IOW, the tares support that NOSAS is Biblical. The tares have zero to do with...

In my opinion it is rather simple if we come from the perspective of Luke 21. Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. First He...

Personally, I found this post rather insightful. I don't know if you are entirely correct or not, but I can for sure see the logic in what you are proposing.

If you are perhaps trying to make a connection to Revelation 20:9 with that of Revelation 19:20, per Premil the former would be meaning at the beginning or just prior to the beginning of the millennium. The latter would be meaning after the millennium. Per Amil though, both passages would be...

Does this mean you think that when Jesus returns the Father literally comes with Him? On a different note. Since when does sitting on the right hand of power demand location? Jesus can only sit on the right hand of power while He is bodily in heaven, but can't still be sitting on the right hand...

When the lost is cast into the LOF, how are you interpreting their fate? Does it mean eternal conscience torment or does it mean annahilation eventually? In order for the former to be true one has to obviously be immortal first, both body and soul, since ECT can't logically apply to someone not...

Read Post #539 again. You posted that according to my browser. What you were responding to at the time is what you have quoted by @grafted branch having asked. Meaning this---So I’m asking a simple question, can a tare become saved? That's what my browser indicates you were replying to in...

1 Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, We are to believe that something incorruptible, and that fadeth not away, can fit in an age that is corruptible and fadeth away? After all, it's not like this present age is not...

And you are an Amil that is on record agreeing that the tares can't mean the lost in general. Who do you take them to mean then? They can't be meaning atheists, for instance. Since there is such a thing as an atheist denouncing atheism, repenting then becoming saved. And that you clearly said no...

Just because Amils don't believe the beast (first beast) and the false prophet (second beast) are individual human beings, doesn't mean I agree with them about the latter, nor does it mean the Bible even agrees with them about the latter. The latter might be meaning humans. Not one singular...