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That seems contradictory. Why is it easy to give all you own for something? (easy to get saved) ??? The rich young ruler thought it not easy at all. Matthew 19:21-22 NIV Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in...

Remember, plenty of other ways to be deceived. [

Right. Only partly deceived. Even Paul understood this to be true. Romans 7:24 NIV What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? [

The "very elect"? Are there levels of election? Perhaps you think the very elect are not deceived but the ordinary elect could be? Which would support my point. [

Why would the Sabbath be under the New Covenant? We are not under the law. Galatians 3:23-25 NIV Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we...

As I understand it, God sent the Word (Logos, which was God and with God) The Word (Logos) Jesus (the Word made flesh) therefore was God in the flesh. John 1:1-2, 14 NIV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. ...

Isn't that in itself a deception? Has the need to be a Berean ended? Why are we required to weigh carefully what is spoken by prophets in the congregation? Is discernment no longer required? 1 Corinthians 14:29 NIV Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully...

I would say that no one in the Elect has it all right. Everyone is deceived in some aspect. [

Are false prophets now arising and performing great signs and wonders? (in the end times) Not yet. ??? What qualifies as great signs and wonders? That supports my point. Anyone that is not Wheat and Tares is the real Body of Christ. Meaning the Elect today are likely deceived. Again...

Yes, I suppose Bethel church could be a bit of a culture shock for mainstream Christianity. [

Saw Kim Walker-Smith in concert. Glad I could find her powerful testimony online. I wanted to share it with you. Jesus brings healing. [

Here was my whole response. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would say that no one in the Elect has it all right. Everyone is deceived in some aspect. The Elect (the Body of Christ) spans all denominations (churches). Doctrine can differ substantially. A relationship with God is not determined...

Thanks for your post. Well said. (though rather long) On another topic, a poster replied: "The very elect can not be deceived." How would you respond? My whole response to the poster is in the next post. [ cc: @Carl Emerson

I would say that no one in the Elect has it all right. Everyone is deceived in some aspect. The Elect (the Body of Christ) spans all denominations (churches). Doctrine can differ substantially. A relationship with God is not determined by doctrine. We don't have to have our doctrine align...

I agree. But how does that square with this previous post? (#113) Looks like a contradiction? [

Well said. Welcome to the forum. [

The church has a free will to believe whatever they want. Sometimes what they want is indeed deception, in someone's opinion. (denominational conflicts) The church across the street is considered a cult. There are obvious differences between denominational doctrines. And especially between...

There's a topic. In the Great Commission Jesus commanded us to make disciples baptizing them in the name of the Father and the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit. But we only find, going forward in the New Testament, believers being baptized in the name of Jesus. (as opposed...

Who decides what truth is? Again, who decides what truth is? Is one opinion superior to all others? [