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We've had this discussion before (last September - What Are we Getting Saved From). This was my reply then: So what of the phrase "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"? We know from chapter 17 and other verses of Scripture that tell of the destruction of Satan (Hebrews 2:14...

Revelation 20:14 (WEB): (14) Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Barnes Notes says: In the heart of the earth - The Jews used the word “heart” to denote the “interior” of a thing, or to speak of being in a thing. It means, here, to be in the grave or sepulchre.

Matthew 12:40 (WEB): (40) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Yes I do understand myself! God didn't promise Abraham that there would be a resurrection, he just said that one of his descendants would bless all nations. God did tell Daniel that the dead would be resurrected (Daniel 12:2), and Hosea (Hosea 13:14) and to others as well I'm sure (I don't...

[You somehow managed to misquote what I wrote. The words "many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven" was what you wrote, not me.] A doesn't equal B, but if you are a Christian then you are also heirs according to the promise - the...

Why do you think that that means that Abraham (and other Old Testatment people) will have a part in the first resurrection? This was God's promise to Abraham, Genesis 22:16-18 (WEB): (16) and said, “I have sworn by myself, says Yahweh, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld...

You're repeating the same quotes again, but it doesn't change what they mean. Really? Well I never! Believing that verses of Scripture mean something that they don't doesn't save you or qualify you for the a part in the first resurrection. As I said in my previous post, the Gospel preached...

So what? The Church is resurrected (the first resurrection) before the Great Tribulation. The timing of Jesus' Second Coming has no bearing on who has a part in the first resurrection (other than if you're still around at that time then you missed having a part in the first resurrection!).

You're going around in circles - we've already been over this passage (see my post #450 from 4 days ago). The Gospel was not preached to the Israelites that were brought out of Egypt and wandered in the wilderness for forty years (see chapter 3). They were told some "good news" but it was not...

The Israelites being delivered from their enemies (or from death) does not mean that they will have a part in the first resurrection. The fact that it refers to the Great Tribulation, which occurs after the Church has been resurrected, means that the living Israelites at that time won't have a...

If you think that I am wrong then please show me Old Testament verses which tell of a resurrection to spirit bodies with a home in heaven, and to a role as priests and kings - something which sounds similar to the first resurrection. I don't think that is revealed in the Old Testament. Here...

It is referring to the general (second) resurrection, not the special (first) resurrection of the Church which had not yet been revealed. It's no more relevant than when was the last time that you read any part of the Bible. Just because you don't read all the Bible every day that doesn't mean...

:rolleyes: If you say so.

Those posts don't correct my unbelief in your interpretation of the Scriptures. The Scriptues you quoted in those posts say nothing about the resurrection, let alone who gets to have a part in the first resurrection. Those verses say that there will be a Great Tribulation, but the Israelites...

Indeed. But what is your point and its relevance to who will have a part in the first resurrection as opposed to the second resurrection? I don't see how that helps your argument. Your not referencing any Scripture to support that, but yes, Jesus' sacrifice provides salvation from death for...

An article written in 1916: TWO BANDS OF GOD'S HEROES HEBREWS 11:1--12:2. THE Bible puts faith before works, because no works can be acceptable to God unless inspired by faith. Thus it is written, "Without faith it is impossible to please God." The Bible brings to our attention two distinct...

To clarify, you wrote, in post #442: I (and Ronald) have been saying that nobody is resurrected in the first resurrection (which is what 1 Thess. 4:17 is referring to) except Christians, and that nobody could become a Christian until Jesus started his ministry, when he started baptizing through...

That's a mishmash of verses that you've come up with because of your Trinity bias. Just believing in God doesn't save you - all the Jews believed that, but they were under the Law which they could not keep, and none of them were saved. To be more precise (quoting an actual Bible verse), Romans...

Just believing that God was going to send a Messiah, a person anointed to save Israel and all mankind, does not make you a Christian and part of the Church (body of Christ). All the Jews believed that, but they didn't all become Christians. It's a complicated few verses! Who are the...