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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    You need to try and look at things beyond 70 AD, though. The world didn't end in 70 AD, obviously. We're all still here aren't we?
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    As far as I can tell, one reason some conclude it has to be literal is because Noah's flood was mentioned in this ch, and that that event was literal. So what if Noah's flood was literal, at least God provided a way to preserve the animal kingdom at the time. How is the animal kingdom preserved...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The text indicates that he is bound so that he can no longer deceive the nations until he is loosed first. Obviously, this presents a major problem if we apply these things to this present age. In order to know with certainty that satan has been loosed, we simply look for signs that indicate he...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Some things to keep in mind about the 2Ws, though. They can be made war against. They can be killed. They can rise from the dead. They can ascend into heaven. Does how you are understanding the law and the prophets fit all of those things? Keeping in mind as well, when all of these things...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Which begs the question, what about animals on the new earth? If this entire planet literally goes up in flames, as a lot of Amils insist literally happens, well there goes the entire animal kingdom then. But if there are indeed animals on the new earth, how do they get there? Because even you...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Exactly! And that's the way we Premils reason that as well, that what ever the biding caused to happen, assuming it's pertaining to this age, those things are reversed once satan is loosed. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    For what it's worth, I do grasp why you conclude what you do. Yet, you don't deal with other issues that this causes, such as the camp of the saints being surrounded after the thousand years. Obviously, if they are alive after the thousand years, they are alive during it as well. Except you have...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    For the most part, I would say you and I are probably on the same page here then. To add to that, what it basically boils down to is this. Humans end up doing what satan and the angels ended up doing ages ago, that though they were in God's presence, thus couldn't deny He exists, they rebelled...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    With that in mind, let's assume the thousand years and satan's little season does occur before the 2nd coming. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Interesting. Wonder if that could be what is meant in Revelation 21:1 when the text indicates--and there was no more sea? After all, according to Revelation 11:1-2, there is trouble involving the court without, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Not only does it not make sense, it would mean the camp of the saints that satan and his followers attack after the thousand years, they are actually attacking them during the thousand years. After all, it is not reasonable that the camp of saints attacked after the thousand years are not...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Here's an idea then. Premils, such as you, and others like you, need to quit using Isaiah 65 as support for the thousand years being after the 2nd coming since it clearly involves the time of the NHNE, when Premils, such as you, and others like you, are arguing that the NHNE doesn't come down...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yet, this ignores that the events recorded in Daniel 7:21 have to chronologically precede the events recorded in Daniel 7:22. You have to deal with that first, that there has to be an era of time involving what is recorded in Daniel 7:21 before there can be an era of time involving what is...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. What some of you need to get a clue about before you decide how to intepret that passage, is that it has to first be understood like such---For a LITERAL thousand years in thy sight...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Fair enough. I probably should have said that in such a way where it didn't come across as if it applies to every single Amil. All I know is, for example, Zechariah 14. Apparently, every single thing recorded in that chapter is meaning after Christ was born. Which means it has to fit something...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    What one should be doing in this case, which is what I'm doing, is using Daniel 7 to shed more light upon when Revelation 20:4 is meaning. Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Roger, when it comes to prophecies in general, in my mind these prophecies involve events, regardless what they might look like when being fulfilled, thus might not be meaning in a literal sense every time, that fit a literal era of time and are chronological in nature. For example, Christ's...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I am Premil but that you are arguing Amil, and that I am supposed to answer that as if I too am Amil?
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Why is it then that Amils generally rarely use both testaments to prove Amil, and that unless Premils bring up OT passages first, Amils don't have much to say about any of those OT passages except to insist Premils are misinterpreting them?
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Something else that has to be factored in here. This thousand years. Obviously, it can't mean less than a thousand years. It has to at least mean a thousand years. With that in mind, obviously, if someone died at the beginning of this thousand years, or even 500 years into this thousand years...