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When you or anyone can provide a Bible verse that unambiguously states that God will take people up to live in heaven, then you will have some credibility. For now, you have none, as nothing you have presented proves a rapture as you see it. ​

Why do people believe in a rapture? It is taken as read, that this means a rapture removal to heaven of all Christian people, either before the Seals, during the last 7 years, or at the Return. Unfortunately for those who would like to be outta here before anything nasty happens, there is no...

Marcus, I'm sure people, [if there are any others who actually read our posts] can see how you mis-read and twist what I say. The Temple is now spiritual, as you say and God resides in heaven. But Rev. 20:3 says He will eventually come to dwell on earth. My point is; there is no reason for...

True Christians ARE Israelites. That is how Paul says it is in Romans 8 & 9. Any other people are simply non Christian, be they Jews or any other person. Confirmed by verse 7, where it is Christians from every tribe, race and language are gathered in Jerusalem. Proved by Rev 14:1. Your belief...

I have no confusion over who are the Lord's people. There is only one people, you make a mistake to think God has two people two promises. John 10:16, John 17:22, 1 Cor. 1:13, all prove that Jesus has just one group of righteous followers. That they mainly consist of actual descendants of...

The true Word is what the scriptures say. Acts 1:11 says Jesus will Return to the earth, Rev. 19:11-16 describes that event. He will come with His angels, Jude 14, Matthew 24:30-31. Jesus will reign on earth for 1000 years, then He hands it all back to the Father. 1 Cor. 15:24. Then heaven will...

Marcus, exactly where will the Lord be forever?

Right, and there are dozens of scriptures that prove the Lord will protect His people during His Day of wrath. The belief of a rapture removal before the Return of Jesus, is simply unscriptural. Even then, it seems there will be just a meeting in the clouds, as He comes down to earth.

Yes, the next prophesied event will be the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Micah 4:11-12. However it won't be a war as we know it, Iran will go to fire their nuke missiles at Israel, but the Lord will cause them to explode on the launch pad. Psalm 7:12-15, Obadiah 15 The devastation caused by this...

ATP, it is your doctrine that falls apart when the truth of God's plans for His people are found in the Bible. Believing a rapture removal to heaven is contrary to all the prophesies that say how the Lord will gather His righteous people soon after His Day of wrath and settle them into all of...

John 3:13 totally refutes any notion of humans going to live in heaven. Confirmed by John 17:15 Matthew 24:40-41 ...the 'taken' are ungodly people, the righteous are left on earth. Confirmed by Ezekiel 34:11-31, Revelation 7:9 John 14:1-4 Where Jesus prepares the place is on earth, He will...

False. Quote Marcus I should demand an apology for this wrong and utterly rude statement. NOWHERE is heaven mentioned in Revelation chapter seven. But it just again reiterates how Marcus cannot abide any challenge to his fixed beliefs. He uses character assassination and ridicule to...

Actually I have already proved that there is no rapture removal to heaven, Jesus Himself said so. John 3:13 Note in Ezekiel 1, he was by the river Kebar and saw a storm wind coming from the North. In it were the four living creatures and the Throne of God. The Lord commissioned him for his task...

It may look like the 'vast multitude from every tribe, race and language' are in heaven, but the text does not say that. It is only those whose wishful thinking demands a rapture, who believe that idea. There is no indication of a change of venue in Rev 7. The truth of where all this takes place...

I have never said the 70th week of Daniel is the next prophesied event. I have always said the 'blood moon tetrads' were of no prophetic significance. I do not see how we can continue any sensible discussion, while you simply fail to read what I write. Let alone what the prophets wrote! ATP...

A very good effort, Marcus, I agree with a lot of what you say, its only really what the next prophesied event will be, where you miss out on the truth. Many prophesies say how the Lord will suddenly send His fiery wrath upon His enemies. Onto a world that is 'as in the days of Noah'. A...

Psalm 83:1-2 Do not keep silent, O God; be neither quiet nor still, for your enemies raise an uproar and those who are hostile to You carry their heads high. Psalm 83:3-5 They devise a cunning plot against Your people and conspire against those whom You treasure. “Let us wipe them out as a...

You have Jesus coming to gather the few remaining elect after the Great Trib. You say they are the 'vast multitude' of Rev 7. Then, the wrath of God follows? This sequence doesn't fit how it is in the Bible. You say the elect stay in heaven during the Millennium. That is pure conjecture, not...

Marcus said: Oh really? Jesus refutes that idea? Where! In John 14:2-3 Jesus says He will take us to where He is going to go: i.e., Heaven, specifically the "third Heaven" in the presence of God the Father. In Revelation 7:9-17, the Church is set before God the Father in Heaven. Quote...

Looking at the context of Isaiah 30:25-30 and Ezekiel 11:14-21, it is plain that what is said there has not happened yet. I can only recommend for everyone to read them and to realise the truth of scripture, of God's plans for His people. The rapture question has been extensively discussed...