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I see what you are saying. However the gathering in the air is one event with more than one component. In the bible we read how that event includes the dead in Christ rising first. The Rapture affects all believers in Christ. Dead and alive. Nothing confusing at all about it. We both have our...

That's what I said. "His dead body was raised as the dead bodies of believers at the Rapture will be raised" The dead believers rise first. However you phrase your statement in a way that sounds like you think people are raised before the Rapture itself?

Right, but the point was that our bodies are important because they are involved in the new body. Jesus was the first to have one. His dead body was raised as the dead bodies of believers at the Rapture will be raised. OK so if He instantly arrives on earth from heaven where does a Rapture of...

The yo yo folks think that the gathering together in the air happens and then they immediately go down again. Yo yo is very appropriate. Calling those who question that childish is false. Not clearly. Articulate or vacate. More blah blah whining rather than clearly posting this supposed...

In what way, and what do you not understand that needs explaining? Why make Jacob sheep and goats? What not say he is cheese and crackers? Tom and Jerry? What verse says Jacob was a goat? In what way does calling the guy a goat make the tribulation his time of trouble? You are making no sense...

False. He NEVER comes to earth till the return to earth. Not in the Rapture. He is up still. We go up in the Rapture, and down aganin years later when Jesus returns. That gives us time to get to know Him and others and for the marriage supper and rewards etc. We NEVER retrun to eart permanently...

So when Jesus said He was coming immediately after the tribulation you do what with the verse, hide it? Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens...

I am not mixing anything I was quoting you and asking what you were trying to say. That is after the thousand years. No. The thief in the night coming is the one in an unknown time. I am not one who suggests the return of Christ is after Him reigning here 1000 years already. What are you...

Who made that rule? Lazarus had his body raised. Jesus also. We will be like He is. You know, the body that walked through walls, flew, ate meals, etc? Not their bodies! Try visiting a tomb sometime and see if you doubt that. Says who? Try to remember you made that up completely. That is why...

Then make it clear especially when you think your opinions are different than the average yoyoist here! OK, and..? Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them...

Verify that claim. Seems to me the vials and trumpets happened back in the tribulation? When He gathers all nations you thought that really meant He gathered 'Jacob'? Is it fun rewriting the bible? And He gathers nations to judge after He returns by the way! Obviously. Not before the...

You do? It is found nowhere else! Says you, a yoyoist! Horse doo doo It is clear we will rule with Him Tell that to John! The marriage of the church is also in heaven you see when we have our incorruptible bodies like His, we sure can go to heaven! In fact that is our forever home. His...

OK. We will have to disagree Now that is simply not true. No matter what happens to our bodies God raises them up. He is able to do that. We will be like Him. He was raised with a physical and spiritual body that could eat, walk through walls etc. Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms...

The Rapture and return to earth are not the same thing. So it depends on what you are talking about, whether we are talking about the same thing or not. Say what? The dead in Christ also go up and even go up first. That is another point that the yoyoists need to explain. Why would the people...

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from...

That chapter mentions some dweeb who claimed the resurrection already happened. 2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Perhaps explain how that relates to the issues here? How does that...

Many are deceived. Your job here was to make a case so that people could see it was not you. Sorry you failed. Playing the majority card won't work either. Of the few billion or whatever christians they say live in the world, you do realize the majority are not waiting for any deliverance at...

The thing about a yo yo is that it is not a leisurely tour, it goes up and down fast. There is no comparison with a rapture in the air that then proceeds to heaven for several years with lots happening and your up and down move to the air and back in a moment. The rewards and reuniting and...

The yoyo can start down and get pulled up. Once we get into advanced yo yo theory that becomes obvious! Maybe you prefer the magic elevator ride parallel? We go up to the air floor and immediately back down to earth! Or maybe the rubber ball theory where it is tossed up and falls back down to...

As long as we know what it is, what you call it is not the main thing. Your compressing different events (rapture, return to earth and marriage supper) into one momentary event is what we are looking at. What does he say that allows him to escape being a yoyoist? The scene is in heaven where...