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  1. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Well, if you guessed non-denomination you got it right!. :) And I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to go over it again. Totally understandable.
  2. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Well, it's nothing new, but God did say, 1Cor 8:6, But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. Is Jesus the Father? I assume you think not, so how do you explain this verse in such a...
  3. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    For the record, I think that you, as a dear child of God, are nothing short of the bee's knees! I love you and would do whatever I could should my help be of value to you in any way. I am your servant. :)
  4. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Maybe I'm wrong in understanding what you wrote or even if it was in reply to my post, so if the following indicates I didn't understand it, please ignore or clarify as desired: I'm not sure what I mistranslated. Could you could be more specific (but only if it doesn't make you sick. I really...
  5. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Exactly. John also said, "the word was with God." A couple of points here; 1) Verse one talks about the "logos" ("word" in English). It is not good to change that word to "Jesus." Better to see what the logos actually is. Unlike the recent past when anything trinity was suppressed, it is...
  6. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    It is clear. Over and over in John 14 we see Jesus talking about his Father. A son and a father are two people in anyone's book. Verse 23, talking about himself and his Father, said, "We will come unto him..." "We: The plural nominative case of the pronoun of the first person; the word with...
  7. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Did you offer up all the required daily animal sacrifices today? Assuming you didn't, why not? Is Leviticus not important? But if you do happen to offer the daily animal sacrifices, then you might actually pay the invoice addressed to your next door neighbor just because you happen to see it on...
  8. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    I love it! Thanks for the reminder brother. :)
  9. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    And hello to you! :) I think you just gave a good summary of Romans 7. John also has something to say along these lines: 1 John 1:8-9, 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our]...
  10. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    All good verses. However they were said to Israel (Matt 15:24) BEFORE Jesus died, resurrected, ascended, and sent the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost. A lot changed with those events (major understatement :)). Whereas the law made nothing perfect, the new creation God put in our...
  11. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    I would agree with this so far as the church doctrines agree with the scriptures. I just don't think they always do as I aver in the OP where I'm saying there is nothing in the scriptures that says we must believe in the trinity to be saved, which is a clear requirement according to the...
  12. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Maybe I misunderstand you, but I don't see anything in this verse that indicates we are saved by something more than grace through faith. Also, it is important to realize tht Mark 16:16 was...
  13. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Good points. Technically, whether or not we judge is really not the issue. It's how we are to judge that matters. John 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Of course this verse, like all verses, has a context which must be considered. In John it is...
  14. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Technically you might be right. I'll think about it. I'm not even sure of the Greek for "born again." Can I ask what you think to be the difference between "born again" and being "saved?"
  15. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    I can''t for the life of me understand why both John's and Jesus' declarations are not clear enough to settle the question of water baptism. Luke 3:16, John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not...
  16. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    I think you are talking about Matthew. Matt 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Would you see the trinity in Daniel 3 just because it mentions Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? When read as written...
  17. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I used to believe the trinity and now I don't, so it must be possible to change. Having said that, I must say it is a rare event indeed, but still possible. Besides, who knows when a planted seed may spring to fruition?
  18. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    1 Pet 1:23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. As far as I can tell, Peter said we are born again of incorruptible seed. Your first birth was of corruptible seed from your father. Now even though that seed is...
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I see what you're saying, but why do you think "before Abraham" automatically means "eternity past?" Seems like that's reading into the verse something that's not there. Why not stick with what's written and go from there?
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Seems simple enough to me. Thanks.