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Here's the actual text: John 17:21-22, 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are...

You are basing a doctrine on a few verses that could perhaps be taken in a Trinitarian way. But, they don't come out and say outright that Jesus is God, whereas I've shown a half dozen verses that specifically say he was a man (Acts 2:22 et. al.), whereas God is NOT a man (Hos 11:9, et. al.)...

Excellent verses for sure! Thanks.

Hey David, just for the record, I think you're a really good guy. Too bad more people don't put as much effort into understanding God. The world would be a better place with more folks like you. I'm glad to call you my brother!

But the phrase, "Jesus is God" is found somewhere in the scriptures? I don't think it is.

Well, I didn't invent Greek grammar. I just go along with it, and I'm really sorry to say that it is grammatically correct to translate, "και θεος ην ο λογοs" as, "and the word was Godly." Saying, "the word was God" creates many contradictions which I've pointed out many times, whereas the...

Well, you have a good point IF the phrase in John 1:1 is, "...and the Word was God." However, if that phrase is taken as, "...and the Word was godly" there is no problem. The logos was not something that was created at all. It's God's mind, which of course was not created. It's just part of the...

All good points, but 2,000 years of tradition is awfully hard to overcome. I think that only about 2% of Christians understand that Jesus is the son of God and not God the son. That alone shows how powerful the tradition is. I mean, what could be more simple than Jesus being God's son? Plus...

There is actually a 3rd way to approach the scriptures: using our God given mind/intellect along with God's gift of holy spirit which is given at the moment we are born again. Paul told Timothy to study the scriptures (2 Tim 2:15). The word "study" is Greek "spoudazo" which means to be diligent...

Yes. Sorry for the confusion. You seem to be a nice enough guy with a sincere belief in the scriptures. Wish there were more like you. I don't like the translation, "...the word was a god" either. While it grammatically possible, I think the intended meaning is more along the lines of, "...the...

Geez...I thought you would have believed everything I said by now. I just don't understand why you don't....just kidding! :)

Well, after I wrote my post it occurred to me that you may have been talking about the other folks. I wish we could delete posts or I would have deleted that one. Plus it's hard to keep track of who's who sometimes. There's a guy named David in NJ who I think is the one who called us fools...

Then all the OT folks with "el" as part of their name are God? I'm thinking not. Better find out exactly what a name meant to the Ancient Near East.

I've shown many names in the OT that have "el" as a part of their name. Not a single one of them are actually God. I don't know what I can say to convince you that a name is nothing more than a name. It may be descriptive of one's character, but that' all. I'm not going to sit on a guy named...

I'm really sorry, but I just don't see where you got the appellations "Elohim Son" or "Elohim Holy Spirit" in Genesis. You mention 2 alternatives here. There is actually a third alternative, namely that Jesus is the Son of God, which is exactly what he is called about 35 times or so. What's...

You understand I was being called a fool, that I didn't call anybody a fool? Here's the entire post #258: "True, the son is not his own father. It should be that simple, but somehow the meaning of simple words flies out the window and we end up saying that the son and the Father are one and...

Well, you thanked me for my research which I appreciate, but your reply seems to suggest you didn't read it to much of any depth, which is fine. You are certainly not obliged to investigate something that may be new to you. I understand that. But, perhaps you could look at one little part of my...

John 17:21, That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. "...that they also may be one in us" is the text and it agrees with the Greek. If I changed the word "in" to "with" it was a...

How do you know anything about my fruit? Are you just basing it on my saying one little thing, especially when that one little thing was pretty much what someone said to me first? And to think, based on the flimsiest of evidence, you suggest I don't even try to be loving. I wonder what's really...

You are assuming that the original text said, "...was God" but it was later changed to, "...a God" by certain nefarious characters. Perhaps it's the other way around. First of all, we need to acknowledge there are no original texts, texts that John actually wrote. The best we have are early...