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I agree with most of what you have said, but I disagree with the final sentence. If the basis of this view is Romans 11:26, then I would not interpret that verse the same way. I think the focus of Romans 9-11 makes it clear that there is no special plan or dispensation for Israel other than...

I do not agree with the assumption that numbers are to be equated with spiritual vitality. Perhaps it is because the truth is taught that some churches do not grow? As for the church I attend, it is growing. I was commenting on the behavior of people who generally like to show up a little...

Barrd, I would not be so hard on charismatics. I have found most charismatics to be genuine people who deeply love the Lord and have a passion for knowing and experiencing God in real-life situations. I must say, I wish Christians from other denominations were as eager and expectant for God...

So you think Paul is telling these Romans they are not saved? He says they have been "grafted in" to this tree. He warns them they could be "cut off" from the tree if they do not continue in the faith. Meanwhile, the Israelites were "cut off" from the root and God has the power to "graft them...

No. In my opinion, the difference between the Israel of the OT and the NT Israel is that Christ is the perfect Israel (Matthew 2:15). He succeeded in fulfilling the law where national Israel failed and those who are "in Christ" (and thus, in true Israel), are imputed the righteousness of God...

I have to agree with keras on this one....the Church is true Israel. Although, I do not agree with either of you about the Great Tribulation and end times discussion. Either way, I hope everyone he can recognize that these are debatable issues and, according to Romans 14, we should not pass...

I understand what you mean, but I disagree with how you are stating this. The entire Bible is not parable. Parable is a genre. The Greek comes from two words para (alongside) and bole (to throw). Essentially a parable is a story that is thrown alongside a teaching to illustrate a point. The...

That explanation makes no sense to me. This is a hypothetical in the subjunctive mood. They are currently under God's "kindness." Paul is warning them. He is not saying they are currently cut off. So, is he warning them that they currently are not saved and their faith isnt real? No, that...

Care to explain how I took them out of context? Paul says that these Roman believers should "fear" and that they would be "cut off" if they do not "continue" in faith. How am I misusing that verse?

ATP, I basically quoted a verse warns the Romans (and us) that if they do not continue in the faith, they should "fear." You said, "No, that's wrong." How can I be wrong when I simply quoted the verse? I would appreciate it if you actually dealt with the verses rather than quoting your own...

The problem, ATP, as I see it, is that you have allowed your Calvinism to color all these verses in a particular light. You read all these verses and see OSAS and I do not see these things at all. I believe all the verses you posted. I just believe they do not mean what you are implying (and...

Yes, I am serious. Faith is never called a "work" in the NT, but is always contrasted with works. τοῦ ἔργου τῆς πίστεως, is similiar to saying, "Faith's work." It is not saying faith = work, but work that belongs to someone's faith. In the same way,τοῦ κόπου τῆς ἀγάπης, is similar to saying...

StanJ, I appreciate the conversation. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, brother. Have a blessed Thanksgiving weekend!

If you look at the context of 2 Thess, and other passages that the election is based on their belief. "God elects the plan, not the man." The John 15 passage has to do with Christ's choosing of the Apostles. This is not about choosing sinners for salvation. The texts in John about divine...

I am starting my explanation by reminding you what Trinitarians believe, since you keep misrepresenting the doctrine and claiming it doesn't fit with Scripture. My point was simply that, as a Trinitarian, there is no conflict between Jesus being both God and Son. You keep derailing my comments...

I use a few of the connotations to show the range of the word's meaning fits with my understanding. As someone who is bilingual, surely you know that a word does not carry every connotation in every context! Let's look at an English word to illustrate: Stud: So are you suggesting that if I...

Yes, I can explain those, and I have (remember, Jesus is the incarnate God, born fully human...so he can be both God and the Son). However, you have yet to respond to my verses. I think the verses you posted are true AND the ones I posted are true (hence my belief in the Trinity). I do not...

Did you not read the texts? Clearly you didnt. They very clearly say Jesus is God. I am not inferring anything. Let's just look at three of them so you dont get overwhelmed and decide not to read any of them. “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so...

Yes, I have heard this too. I am not claiming that charismatics are doing something satanic in their practice of tongues (although it can certainly be unbiblical if it is not in order or edifying to others). I am just saying that there is just no justification for these various definitions. I...