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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Lol - this type of flawed logic could work if the Father isn't always attributed as being God. Truth is Father is God and the Son is not the Father or God. "For since the creation of the world God's invisible things are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his...
  2. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    You were right up until the red text. If you remove Christ from the Spiritual New Creation nothing exists and you remove the purpose of God in and through the Son. Think of it as removing the Head from the Body - The Head is the same as the Body in everyway with one difference we sin and he...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Seperate Persons; Seperate Beings - One Mind and Purpose. "And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord". Isaiah 11:3 It's impossible for God to Fear Himself! F2F
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    Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love

    Now I want to make clear for you, brothers and sisters, the gospel that I preached to you, that you received and on which you stand, 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you—unless you believed in vain 1 Co 15:1–2. There are many types of Love...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    True though I would place God first in the sentence and the Holy Spirit is God's Power. F2F
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Happy with the word "appointed" Red. @Brakelite you might find this reply interesting. God's Son enters history through natural descent, belonging to the lineage of David. His nature was a true participation in the human family—He was genuinely man in every way! His bloodline traces back to...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It makes me smile when Trinitarian believers see threes and out of the gates...off and racing!
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I'll let you do your own homework on 1 John 5:7 First thing to do is to look up the translators note in the NET - do this then come back to me F2F
  9. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    It's more about showing the context in which it's written. It's noted you dealt with none of the 7 points. I know this...you have corrected me on this before. Understand. You can't use New Creation language to force it. Fair enough! The three sections you used this time actually teach...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I would agree if you were speaking to Saul to Paul but not Simon to Peter. Plenty of evidence to show this. As I said, not a one size fits all! F2F
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    OT scripture quoted many times in the New Testament (NT) - why?

    Apak, I have a Jewish friend who recently accepted the Messiah into his heart. Raised as an orthodox Jew and fluent in Hebrew, you’d be amazed to hear him read the Scriptures and point out how he now sees Christ throughout the text. Whenever salvation or being saved is mentioned in the Psalms...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You may think you understand, but you don’t. Many people go through multiple conversions before they are fully transformed into one of God’s servants. It's the difference between Peter and Paul. It's not a one-size-fits-all situation, Lizbeth... but you know this from your own experiences in...
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    Why trust the "Early Fathers?"

    I don't and never will. They saldy surcomb to the maky false teachers of their time and if the original Gospel was still in existence it was a minority, possibly persecuted for their beliefs. F2F
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You must have several doubts about this doctrine by now, especially considering the past few weeks and the many unanswered questions.
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The Logos became flesh, meaning that the Holy Spirit's power conceived Jesus in the womb of Mary. Through His sufferings and trials, He was declared the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead. Rom 1:1-3 Only the Father (Yahweh) uses His Logos to Create. All things are created by the...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Ghost is a terrible translation but you are correct! If you think its led you into beliving the Trinity then you would need to rethink what spirit has done this....
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Agree, but many today are not that far from making the step toward the Wisdom of God.
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Carries the same meaning. Gentiles though ignorant of the law practice the wisdom and guidence of the law. i.e stealing, do not murder etc. F2F
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @CadyandZoe God's "plan" was in place prior to the creation of this age. Acts 2:23 speaks to God's plan This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. In the Mind of God Jesus was...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I'm glad you caught that! In this forum T beleivers say Jesus was born with the full measure of God's Power which is not so. Did you ever notice the Lord included John in his Baptism and to fullfill all righteousness? 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to...