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  1. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Sorry, but there is both a spiritual kingdom and a physical kingdom. Christ rules and reigns in the hearts and souls of His believers but satan is still king of this earth and will be until Christ returns to reclaim the crowns of the kingdom. Rev. 11:15. This phrase gets it right, "the Holy...
  2. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    There are zero reasons why the millennium should be considered symbolic. In the OT when the prophecies spoke of "that day" or "in that day", "the last day" etc. Israel always took it to mean "the day Messiah reigns on earth". The four spring feasts of Israel were fulfilled at his first advent...
  3. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Regarding prophecy, I find the KJ to have the most consistent narrative. Many modern translations have changed wording to promote 'their" narrative, not God's. Sorry, but the 70th week never began. You might have a point if 70ad immediately followed the crucifixion but it did not. No gap = no...
  4. Trekson

    My personal eclectic view

    First, let me say that for the best understanding of the prophetic narrative I have found that the KJ has the most consistency then the other translations. Many modern translations have changed the words to make the bible fit "their" narrative, not God's. In the KJ, 9:27 doesn't read like that...
  5. Trekson

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Sorry, it doesn't say the GT will last 42 months. It says 42 months is how much longer the dragon has before Armageddon.
  6. Trekson

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    If something is prophesied to last 42 months, it can't be shortened to 42 months. There is no duration given for the GT. Nothing in Rev. 13 suggest that vss. 7-10 are what lasts 42 months consists of, just that is part of it. The GT will be less than 42 months. The a/c has way too much he wants...
  7. Trekson

    My personal eclectic view

    Respectfully, disagree. AE was a type of what is to come, not the real thing, as most of Daniel's end time prophecies are about the last and final kingdom that will severely effect Israel so are most of the latter chapters as well. Imo, AE's mention in Daniel is quite small. Dan. 11:17-20. The...
  8. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    For a greater understanding of how, read my post titled. "This is the Context of How Dan. 9:24-27 Should Be Considered". Prophecies about Israel are on a National level, not an individual one and will be fulfilled as such. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel.
  9. Trekson

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    You'd have to explain it a bit. My belief, post-persecution is one folks don't seem to readily accept. I will say this, I don't believe 1 Thess. 5:9 is talking about 'end times" wrath. It's talking about 'eternal" wrath contrasted against eternal salvation. This is the same way it's spoken of in...
  10. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.
  11. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    I have and the correct view of dispensationalism began in Genesis and the bible has been futurist from the beginning w/ the first prophecy of Gen.3:15 which took a little over 4000 yrs. to fulfill. Darby and the Jesuits did "not" introduce dispensationalism to the world, that is a false teaching...
  12. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    Where does it "say" that Dan. 9:24-27 was something for Messiah to fulfill? It's certainly not in the same place where Daniel was told they were for Israel and Jerusalem to fulfill. If one actually ponders upon it, Christ didn't 'fulfill" any of them. We still have sins, transgressions and...
  13. Trekson

    My personal eclectic view

    Or people interpret prophecies as Messianic ones when they were never intended to be looked at that way and specifically say they aren't like Dan. 9. The GT will begin before the AoD is set up and it will be less than 1260 days in duration.
  14. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    It's how prophecy works, some parts of his first advent were prophesied and some weren't. Christ ministered for 3 1/2 yrs but the fact is, that part wasn't prophesied. From age 12-30 we know nothing about his life. So, to get the timeline correct we have to deal w/ what was prophesied, not what...
  15. Trekson

    My personal eclectic view

    You must be going to the wrong churches. I would say it's the minority who are looking for appeasement. There is only "one" view of the AoD as I showed you, Rev. 13:14-15. The AoD and the great falling away are two different things.
  16. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    Prophetically, Messiah "arrives" at the end of His ministry when Zech. 9:9 was fulfilled, "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."...
  17. Trekson

    My personal eclectic view

    A few problems, "the" abomination of desolation isn't found in Dan. 9:27. Christ was quoting Dan. 11:31 and/or 12:11. A healthy percentage of dispensationalists don't believe in a pre-trib rapture. The Jewish exile was never called the great "tribulation", it was the great "diaspora". The Roman...
  18. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    The last day of the future 70th week will be the same last day of the feast of tabernacles. On that day is when Messiah will dwell on earth among His people, Israel. This is when Dan. 9:24 will be fulfilled by Israel. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel.
  19. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    Answered in my reply to post Answered in my reply to post #421. But read it again in the light of who the passage is actually "addressed" to. Hint: the phrase "before" your #1.
  20. Trekson

    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    What is supposed to happen after the 70th week is fulfilled per Dan. 9:24?