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  1. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    There is no two tier Christianity. Everybody who is a Christian is a member of the body of Christ. You have not shown any verses of Scripture to back up your claim that the early Church were not members of the body of Christ, just like all other believers of the Gospel. 1 Corinthians 12:12-13...
  2. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    No matter what "dispensation" you refer to, there is just one Christian faith. Galatians 3:21-29 (WEB): (21) Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law. (22) But...
  3. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    There is only one Christian faith, and the believing Hebrews were baptised into the same one faith as all other Christians. 1 Corinthians 12:13 WEB (13) For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one...
  4. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Don't pick verses out of context, but read more of the context. Paul says we are saved by the blood of Jesus - Hebrews 9:13-14 (WEB): (13) For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh: (14) how...
  5. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Reminder - Romans 12:10,16 : UASV+ (10) In brotherly love have tender affection for one another; in showing honor to one another, take the lead; (16) Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own eyes. ISV (10) Be...
  6. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    I can understand you wanting to be ready, firmly established and prepared (kuwn) for our future role in God's Kingdom. :wink: You should do your own searching and study, but I would say: (a) We (Christians) will be changed and no longer be humans. We will be spirit beings similar to what...
  7. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Perhaps you should start a new thread to discuss that?
  8. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    John 3:2 WEB (2) The same came to him by night, and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.” Nicodemus stated that he (and other Pharisees, for he said "we") believed that Jesus was sent from God, and...
  9. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    I don't think he would, because that would not answer or even address the question!
  10. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    That does not mean that it is not a parable. A parable is simply a fictitious story from which a moral or religious lesson may be drawn. There is no rule that people mentioned in it can't be given a name, or that references to real places can't be used. Consider these parables: Luke 12:16-21...
  11. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    See post #199. See post #184.
  12. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    No worries! Neither you or I will burn in hell for eternity. God doesn't try to frighten us into to loving Him, because that won't work - it wouldn't be true love, it would just be obedience and respect based on fear. We love God because He loved us first. 1 John 4:18-19 WEB (18) There is...
  13. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    I think you'll find that I have quoted the Bible in my posts much more than you have. But lets not squabble: 2 Timothy 2:14 WEB (14) Remind them of these things, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they don’t argue about words, to no profit, to the subverting of those who hear. 2...
  14. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    Still lacking the ability to understand simple things, I see. I quoted a footnote from a Bible. I was not claiming to be an expert on Greek. The note may have been written by the Chief Translator of the Updated American Standard Version (published February 7, 2022). As a translator I would...
  15. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    Why are you asking me to explain why different Bible translations translate the way they do? I am not a Jehovah's Witness so I am not an expert on the New World Translation which you quoted above, but nevertheless it is in agreement with the UASV note: UASV note: The Greek noun (κόλασις...
  16. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    Again, you too were not careful enough in reading what I wrote! My post was about the meaning of the Greek word that is translated as "punishment", not on the word translated as "everlasting" and "eternal". The UASV correctly translates the same Greek word into the same English word both times...
  17. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    No I am not a expert on Greek. But then I didn't claim to be. Read what I wrote more carefully instead of jumping to wrong conclusions. I wrote, "Interestingly the UASV+ comments", i.e. I was pointing out what the translaters of the updated version of the American Standard Version added as a...
  18. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    Interestingly the UASV+ comments that even though they translate the Greek work kolasis as punishment, that it actually means death: Matthew 25:46 UASV+ (46) And these will go away into eternal punishment,N4 but the righteous into eternal life." N4 The Greek noun (κόλασις kolasis) refers to...
  19. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    I did not admit it is literal. What a ridiculous comment. Read what I wrote again - you don't seem to understand anything! What do you think "presented it in signs" means? Other translations say "he signified it", i.e. he made it known by signs, or symbols. Barnes Notes comments: And...
  20. keithr

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

    That is a deliberate lie, and you know it (or are very stupid). You must be very ignorant of the Book of Revelation if you didn't know that it was written using symbolic language. Just do a simple Google search on "book of revelation summary" and it will say "It uses symbolic language to...