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  1. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    So all Christians have become apostate and no Christians will be saved - we're all doomed! Wrong! Paul warned, verse 30, "Men will arise from among your own selves, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them". That doesn't mean that everybody will be deceived. You're...
  2. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    That is a false man-made (up) philosophy - it is not Biblical. Show us where in the Bible it mentions anything about a "spiritual resurrection". This is what Paul taught concerning the (one and only) resurrection of Christians - 1 Corinthians 15:35-44 WEB: (35) But someone will say, “How are...
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    24 elders in Heaven

    What nonsense! You're not using common sense! No Christian can be resurrected before they die. We follow in the footsteps of our Lord Jesus - note that he was resurrected after he died, not before! Resurrection is an awakening from death; death means a real physical, human body death, not...
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    24 elders in Heaven

    I believe that the number twenty-four is a reference to the 24 courses of the Old Testament priesthood. The priests were divided into twenty-four groups and these each took a turn at performing the temple priestly duties. So the fact that there are twenty-four elders indicates that they were...
  5. keithr

    24 elders in Heaven

    I disagree. tsml I believe that the 24 elders are representative (symbolic) of the resurrected Church. Revelation 4:4 WEB (4) Around the throne were twenty-four thrones. On the thrones were twenty-four elders sitting, dressed in white garments, with crowns of gold on their heads. They are...
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    Patterns that exist in the KJV only

    A quick look at the video, so you can see a larger view of the chart, reveals that it says: God or God's 4103x [e-Sword makes it 4111] Father or Father's 272x [e-Sword makes it 274] Jesus or Jesus' 980x [e-Sword makes it 977] Christ or Christ's /Christian(s) 574x [e-Sword makes it...
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    Patterns that exist in the KJV only

    The e-Sword Bible software claims that there are 942 verses continaing the word Jesus, although the Online Bible software claims there are 943 verses, but they both agree that there are 983 occurrences of the word Jesus, i.e. some verses contain the word more than once. The Online Bible Greek...
  8. keithr

    Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

    So many people that post on this forum seem to be revelling in the idea of people being tormented in extreme agony for all eternity. That thought is pure evil, even more evil than what the so called Palestinians did to the Israeli's on 7th October 2023 and what the Nazi's did to the Jews in...
  9. keithr

    Jesus became Immortal

    No, that is not a logical deduction! Only a perfect sinless man could pay Adam's penalty for sin in his place. God is not a man, nor can he become a mortal man: Numbers 23:19 (WEB): (19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he...
  10. keithr

    Jesus became Immortal

    Because no man could give their life as a sacrifice because all men are unrighteous and sinners - Romans 3:10-12 (WEB): (10) As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one. (11) There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God. (12) They have all turned away...
  11. keithr

    Jesus became Immortal

    God is the creator, but he chose to have His Son perform the creation. Originally only God existed. Then He begat, or created, His Son (who we refer to as Jesus). It was God's will, plan and design, to create angels, the physical universe, planet earth, and all life on earth, and to create...
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    Jesus became Immortal

    No it doesn't. Jesus said in prayer to God, his Father, John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. And later concluded - Mark 15:39 (WEB): (39) When the centurion, who stood by opposite him, saw that he...
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    WHO IS THE ROCK? JESUS OR PETER

    You should include the preceeding verses to include the context - Matthew 16:15-17 (WEB): (15) He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” (16) Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (17) Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh...
  14. keithr

    SHOULD I BE WATER BAPTIZED?

    This is the note from the Updated American Standard Version Bible: Mark 3:18 UASV+ (18) and Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Cananaean; N6 N6: Cananaean, the: (Καναναῖος Kananaios) A term from Aramaic...
  15. keithr

    Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

    The why do you bother participating in this forum? I presume that you believe the Scriptures, so you must believe Acts 8:5-8 (WEB): (5) Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and proclaimed to them the Christ. (6) The multitudes listened with one accord to the things that were spoken by...
  16. keithr

    Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

    So you're calling me a liar? I had been suffering with the back problem for about four months, and it just wasn't getting better. At the end of the evangelist's (Reinhard Bonnke) meeting, because the place was packed and some people were even watching on closed circuit TV from an overflow...
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    Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

    You can't command God to do something and expect God to do it, but you can ask Him to do something and He might do it. When an evangelist asks God, in Jesus' name, to heal somebody, and that person is immediately miraculously healed, would you accept that as proof that God exists? It happened...
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    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Those who lived before Christ's sacrifice were not called to be part of the Kingdom of Heaven. Luke 7:28 (WEB): (28) “For I tell you, among those who are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptizer, yet he who is least in God’s Kingdom is greater than he.” Matthew...
  19. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Many Christians don't understand that there are two classes of saints - those that lived before the resurrection and rapture, and those that became saints after the rapture. The early Church fathers understood that; I recently watched this video which explains that - More Pre-Darby Rapture...
  20. keithr

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    You had posted: So explain Jesus' "revelation on paradise" that you referred to (but were too lazy to give the Bible reference to - Psalms 16:10). Go on then, show us from the Bible what you've learnt from your study on Paradise, and explain how Peter's explanation of Psalms 16:10 was...