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  1. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    So, if the bride of Christ is Israel, not the Church, why does Christ say He will build His Church upon Peter--making Peter both part of Christ's bride ("Israel"), and not part of Christ's bride ("the Church")?
  2. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Which is what? The Gospel was kept a mystery in the past (Ro 16:25), which was why none of the Apostles understood that he had to die and be raised--neither did anyone else in the past. The messages they believed were definitely God's Word, but the message about His Son dying and rising as a...
  3. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    They were just but not perfected, meaning that they had not partaken, meaning they were not privy to Christ's death and resurrection. Hebrews 11 39And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40because God had provided something better for us, so...
  4. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    What does it mean to be David's seed reigning as Israel's King? That he's the Messiah. That's at least part of Peter's point. He also does a homily on "raise up your seed", because, obviously, God just meant that David would have a seed reigning from the throne, but Peter riffs on the word...
  5. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    How so? Paul defines "righteousness apart from works" as "being forgiven" (Ro 4:6-8), and it is based upon this righteousness that we are justified (Ro 5:1). On the contrary, it is yourself who is baselessly seeing a mutual exclusivity between Paul and Peter.
  6. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yes. "remission" there is the Greek word "ἄφεσιν", which means "forgiveness", so there's no issue with anything I said--ie, when Peter preached forgiveness of sins, it is the same message as Paul saying "justification", because justification is by righteousness, and the righteousness he preaches...
  7. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    So? Israel is a nation--Peter was apparently mainly sent to Israel, Paul was sent to non-Israel nations. Thomas apparently went to India.
  8. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The title of the thread is "the Church is not the bride of Christ". Who, in your view, is "the bride of Christ"?
  9. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The purpose was to make sure he hadn't run in vain--to verify his Gospel was accurate. How could he do that? By asking those who would have known best what the Gospel was.
  10. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Romans 16:25 says the Gospel was kept a mystery, so, no, it could not have been the same Gospel. They had hints, etc, but it was kept a mystery in ages past. Gospel means "good news", so, yes, they heard "good news" (Abraham heard that he would have innumerable offspring, etc), but it was not...
  11. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You said that the Gospel of the remnant of Israel differed from the Gospel of Paul, because their salvation wasn't secure, but our salvation is secure, and you used John 15, which says they could be cut off, to prove this, but "Paul's Gospel" contains the very same warning (Ro 11:17-22), so, do...
  12. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You mean "uh-oh, my story is falling apart"? LOL! Matthew 16:18“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church According to you, those who hear and believe "Peter's Gospel" become part of "the remnant of Israel", which you say is Christ's bride, whereas those...
  13. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    When Paul wrote "one faith", Peter was still around, and those who believed "Peter's Gospel" were still around--again, your story doesn't check out.
  14. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    He's saying that you had better not rebel against God's message of Good News about His Son which you are hearing today, because OTHERS IN THE PAST rebelled against God's message to them (which, in fact, was "good news" to them--that they would inherit a land, etc)--the reason the writer uses the...
  15. GracePeace

    Mary as New Eve

    The ordinary and universal magisterium is considered infallible in its teaching of faith and morals. This means that when the bishops, in union with the Pope, agree on a teaching on faith or morals, and propose it as definitively held, that teaching is considered infallible. The ordinary...
  16. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The believing Gentiles are remnants of their Gentile nations (the rest of their nations are lost and are being destroyed), they are not remnants of the nation of Israel. They become part of the commonwealth of Israel, yes, but they are categorically not the remnants of the nation of Israel. LOL
  17. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yeah, Jesus is the offspring of David, and is the King of the Jews, the Christ (Messiah). What's the problem?
  18. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The way forgiveness works is that the priest makes atonement, and, after that, then God forgives--Christ made atonement, and now God forgives. When Peter preaches Christ's sacrifice, he preaches God's forgiveness. Leviticus 4 20‘He shall also do with the bull just as he did with the bull of the...