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  1. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Nope, as stated, not Catholic. As explained, I see the statement "upon this rock" as sandwiched between two addresses of Peter, thus I read it as referring to Peter, who had just been renamed "Rock". I also see Peter as the foremost Apostle, as explained.
  2. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    No, the context is Jesus RENAMES Peter as "Rock", then says "upon this rock", then says He gives the keys to "you" (singular), so the subject never shifts from Peter. Sorry, that's just how I read it.
  3. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    He most certainly is. As noted, the subject never changes--Jesus names Peter "Cephas", the rock, then says he will build His Church on that rock, then says He gives the keys to "you" (singular), Peter. No, but I recognize Peter was the foremost Apostle, and, indeed, his name is on the...
  4. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    @Doug Some of the fatal flaws in your view : 1. You say that believing Israel was unsecure in their salvation, but we are secure, because John 15 says they could be cut off, yet, in "Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles", which you say differs from "Peter's Gospel to Israel", he also warns that those...
  5. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Peter is clearly, for what ever reason, the foremost apostle. Peter was among the three Jesus brought with Him on the mount of transfiguration, was among the three He brought to pray with Him, was the one who confessed Jesus had the words of eternal life, was the one who preached at Pentecost...
  6. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    So... you don't see a flaw in your logic? Christ says that Peter is the rock He builds His Church upon, meaning that Peter is both part of "believing Israel" and part of "the Church", making him, according to you, both part of "the bride" and not part of "the bride". OOPSIE! LOL!
  7. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    I not only discard your assertions, I bring reasons why they are absurd so as to prevent others from being confused like you are.
  8. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    It doesn't matter how the Catholic Church interprets it to bolster their Church--what Christ says is clear, that He builds His Church upon Peter the rock. I don't need to play word games to try to get out of Catholicism's claims, I just read and believe what Christ says.
  9. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    And you say that Israel is the bride, but the Church is not, right?
  10. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Wouldn't you agree, though, that God is preserving a remnant of the nation of Israel / circumcision by grace, according to Romans 11? So, what's the issue--why think Peter and Paul preach different Gospels when you agree Paul's Gospel of Grace is the means whereby God is preserving the remnant...
  11. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL Peter wasn't preaching "God is going to flood the earth, so you will have to build an Ark and God will save you through the Ark" (though that foreshadowed what God would do in the future--the message we believe about His Son), nor "God will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in...
  12. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The OP seems to assert that "Israel" is the bride? Am I understanding your view correctly?
  13. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The Scripture for my assertion is the Scripture we are discussing--it's just that you are, in order to hold your crumbling view together, refusing to see it for what it is saying ("lest I had run in vain" he went to consult with the Apostles to make sure his message was on point--and he says...
  14. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    @Doug In fact, you already said Peter WAS part of the Church :
  15. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL That wasn't what Jesus was saying. Jesus says "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and I will give you [Peter] the keys..."--the subject never changes, it goes from "You are Peter [rock]" and then "on this rock [Peter] I will build My Church" and then "I will give you...
  16. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Right, the Scriptures were about Him. The Bronze Serpent was about Christ, in a way, but it wasn't in plain sight. It was hidden in ages past (Ro 16:25)--what is your response to that?
  17. GracePeace

    Mary as New Eve

    No, if they were right, I would be Catholic, but the doctrine of Mary as the New Eve is an error. I'm not saying they're not a valid Church--I believe people know God because He is merciful (Jer 31:34), not because they have perfect doctrine. I'm not saying they don't know God. I believe...
  18. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    It does not follow from prominence or loss or prominence of this or that preacher that their messages differed--non-sequitur. You have to actually prove the claim.
  19. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Not at all--I'm saying that, in general, when God speaks to makind, it is good news (when Abraham is told that he will have offspring as numerous as the stars of the heavens, that was the good news to him; when Noah was told God would destroy the earth, but that he would be preserved through the...
  20. GracePeace

    Mary as New Eve

    Yes, and it is based on an error--Mary as New Eve.