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No, again and again, I'm not taking a side, I'm only saying I don't see eternal life being decided by the issue. People on both sides can know God.

OK we differ on what those texts mean, and I don't have them overturning Jer 31:34.

To reiterate: I don't believe eternal life is decided by this issue, it's decided by God being merciful (Jer 31:34).

Lol you keep quoting verses that you think prove your argument as if I was unaware of them or wanted to dispute them--on the contrary, it's verses like those that make me have doubts about the idea that Christ is God.

I'm not taking a side, actually. I already said I don't know what to make of the data.

Irrespectively, it sounds like we're going to disagree that it is an issue on which "eternal life" hinges.

We're not talking about Muslims, here, we're talking about brothers and sisters in Christ.

How is that "different"? They can know God and Christ even if they don't know how to perfectly correctly label Christ. I'm sure if Christ returns and says "Guys I'm not God lol stop it" they'd accept it.

Yes, there is truth and there is lie, but I really don't believe eternal life rests upon this issue. John says eternal life is in believing Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God--you can believe both of those things without believing Jesus is God, or you can believe them both and add that, to...

Again, I was giving an example (and there are many) as to how or why people who are in good faith think the Bible teaches Jesus is God. They aren't saying it just to say it, and they're not trying to be tricky. I've known countless trinitarians who bore good fruit in keeping with repentance--who...

1. At least you're acknowledging the verse now. Thank you. 2. The Psalms are prophetic at times, as David "spoke by the Spirit", and can therefore refer prophetically about the Lord Jesus, so, no, it wouldn't have to be referring to a mere mortal king of Israel as God--but it is a good point. 3...

They exist historically, I'm saying. Again, you keep citing only the Scriptures that seem to prove your view correct--as if I were arguing against it (I'm not)--and you are not so much as acknowledging a verse that, to some, would seem to debunk your view that I've been asking you about...

Do you realize there were binitarian Jews before Christianity ever came around--because of the complicated picture given in Scripture? " Two Powers In Heaven" they called it. Look it up if you want.

OK so you don't acknowledge there are verses that make people think Jesus is God. What do you make, for example, of the verse I raised earlier? Hebrews 1 8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

It seems like you are saying there are no verses that CAN (not that they SHOULD) be read as saying Christ is God. Is that the case? I ask because you keep appealing to verses that support your view, but you don't even acknowledge there are verses that others are basing their beliefs on (even...

Yeah, and "according to what we read" is what is in question--some people "read" this, some people "read" that--so appealing to "what we read" is not solving anything. I'm not even taking a side, I'm just saying I think it's debatable, and it is not right to say people who disagree with you...

Yeah, there're many arguments for both sides. I'm not disagreeing with that fact.

I'm not even saying you're wrong about Christ--I don't know, myself--I'm just saying I don't think it's going to determine whether someone has eternal life either way.

Yeah, but, again, knowing them is different than being capable of giving a theological treatise on the issue. You can know someone without knowing everything about them. Again, the paralytic didn't even known it was Jesus, and derived benefit from Him.

I stand by what I said, and what the Scripture explicitly stated--the paralytic did not know it was Jesus. Don't you love Scripture? Love it in this case, as well.